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They took away the fruits of my labour
MoKenya
#11 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 1:00:00 PM
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It is saddening to learn that outright thuggery can be viewed as normal in a society. People con others all the time,but through more wily methods not the callous corruption so evident in government and citizenry in Kenya.

No wonder people also show scant respect for life too. It is the same trait.

Curiously,would anyone attempt the same trickery on a property having a mortgage balance? i.e would they be willing to steal the property and the mortgage balance too?
Kaigangio
#12 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 2:58:00 PM
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This is a case of a government abetting to take from the citizenry through fraud.

mokenya,there is nothing impossible in kenya....title deed has proved to be a mere paper in the past and believe me these con-vernment officials in collusion with their property cowboys could do the same to the property having mortgage balance and you (the owner) of the property is left servicing the mortgage!!!


NEVER TALK OF A RHINO IF THERE IS NO TREE NEAREBY - ZULU PROVERB
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
Obi 1 Kanobi
#13 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 3:31:00 PM
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I don't mean to be insensitive but to me this story has so many gaps. I have been involved in the purchase of property in Nairobi and the process was really rigourous,it involved so many lawyers and paperwork and literally takes forever.

I don't understand how this guy could have his property sold twice without his knowledge,

- the second buyer (assuming he was the innocent buyer) had to come to view what he was buying,why didn't the owners caretakers tell him about this before the purchase was done.

- Again,the second buyers' lawyer should have done the usual land search and other due diligence,unless he was part of the collusion which would void the sale to the second buyer.

- How could this property be used to secure a loan by the first buyer,which bank is this. Besides,the rational move by the first buyer would have been to leave the bank with the property and keep the Sh.20m loan.

- And finally,the first buyer by divulging the details of the amounts he made from the proceeds should be aware that under the law all those proceeds (25M) will be recovered whether he purchased the property knowing it was stolen or not.

I am sorry if the story is true but I can't help picking up so many missing pieces in it,

A 65m ($1m) house is not a pencil that just gets stolen and life goes on. I don't understand this story.

Another piece of Kenya's Journalistic masterpieces








I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
MoKenya
#14 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 5:51:00 PM
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Obi,

There are admittedly pieces in this puzzle that do not fit.

It is imperative to know what relationship Captain Kariuki had with the said culprit,Michael Ngugi. If they dealt together before,was there a fallout between them two? Did Michael,who may have been privy to Captain Kariuki's financial and personal info,use the opportunity to settle a score?

Lack of mention of due diligence in the exchange of money and property also points to a misnomer. I have been told,and you have mentioned it,that the property purchase process in Nairobi is very rigorous,(with the right lawyer/law firm - crooked ones exist),so the second buyer sounds more like another party in the collusion.

Neither the Standard article,nor Captain Kariuki mentions the name of the bank. It would be interesting to know which bank this is,that does not verify property ownership (feuds) before extending credit. That is a bank to avoid


However,why the article succeeds in raising some emotion is the fact that it is not an unlikely situation and can sound credible when you involve corrupt lands officials and police. If I recall well,there is a time when more than two titles were been issued for the same piece of land...

itz
#15 Posted : Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:19:00 PM
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Indeed this is a sad story which goes to show one of many major failures of the government to protect its citizens and their rights to own property.It doesnt make sense for government officials to travel to foreign countries and tell kenyans or foreigners to invest in the country yet they(the govt) cannot protect the basic right of one to own property.well on that rant,i happen to know the victim Mr Wachira and the first buyer Mr. Murithi from a visit to san diego back in 2004.They both lived there but Mr Murithi moved back to kenya sometime back and i assume he must have known that Mr Wachira was building in kenya.Mr Murithi was known to pull some shady deals even when lived back here in the states including abandoning his property in the states when he moved back to kenya.I wonder what the law in kenya says about forging documents and selling other peoples property.The govt needs to shut down the lands ministry,clean it up top to bottom as they send people to kamiti for a very long time.Kenyans ought to be very outraged about this.
MoKenya
#16 Posted : Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:30:00 PM
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I have since learnt from undisclosed sources that know Captain Kariuki back in CA,that he too does not have a credible past either,so my theory about a settlement of scores may be unravelling!

If there are people out there in the know,it may be worth it to tell what you know,to ease any concerns others may have about investing back home...


Obi 1 Kanobi
#17 Posted : Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:00:00 PM
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@ITZ

You just confirmed my suspicions,this is all a con job. All the characters in this story are lying through their teeth. They probably created the entire scam.

This story lacks mention of any specific people and does not demonstrate how the lands ministry was involved in the scam yet it heeps all the blame on the government.

Now ITZ is claiming that the owner and the first buyer know each other and lived together in the US.

The question now is who do they want to con.


I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
itz
#18 Posted : Saturday, May 30, 2009 1:47:00 PM
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@ Obi. i did not say they lived together.they both lived in san diego,CA which should not be misconstrued to mean they lived together.The guy Muriithi was roommates with my cousin and i met mr. Wachira at a bash in san diego during my visit there.all am saying is that Mr Murithi must have known that the captain was building maybe through hearsay. Not too long ago there was another story published in the standard of a kenyan guy who lives in the US and something similar happened to him.His property was sold without his knowledge.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#19 Posted : Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:45:00 PM
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I don't think I said they lived in the same house,I said they lived together in the US,these are 2 different statements

I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
tonicasert
#20 Posted : Monday, July 27, 2009 5:19:00 AM
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Seems the story was deeper...

http://www.nation.co.ke/...8/-/ulhq91/-/index.html

Trust Standard for such stories!
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