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rock
#21 Posted : Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:03:51 PM
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So society is also to blame for campus divas et al?
maka
#22 Posted : Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:04:20 PM
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essyk wrote:
Nice Maka.
Where did all these generalisations come from? stats perhaps?

Now a small question
What influences the way you approach relationships?
Is it your individual principles or a society's expectations?
It's difficult to ignore a society's way of life.
By that I mean the environment under which everything operates.
On the other hand a relationship we know is ones' own business.
But see,at the end of the day,one's relationship is often measured against the society's expected standards.

For instance,it's vain for me to stick to my principles in a society that disregards them, especially if I know it will not work in my favour.
The only way is to lay them aside and adopt the current one where I am at.
Now suppose one is a world traveller.It would mean changing to fit everywhere one goes?

So can you do that? Lay aside your principles and adopt a society's just to get things moving?
Rem. that a society has more influence than your individual thinking and at times our high principles appear as a drop in the ocean.They get drowned in a noisy and wild society.



...the generalisations may come from stats which arent proven scientifically...mostly from experiences that others have had in the past,you may be called aside and an uncle goes like dont marry from such and such a tribe you will end up like your uncle so and so who was left and the wifey went abroad not realising that the dynamics for every of the relationships that failed is different...I base my relationships on what the person will offer and table in terms of virtues,honesty,humility,gentleness etc should be at the core of what you,d want from the other party not forgetting that you should also table some virtues to balance things off,you shouldnt expect much when you yourself cant deliver anything...people should never ever base a relationship on what the society thinks is right,we were given brains to think at the end of everything its always you and your better half,the society will never give you a free hall pass to the goodies of the land because you chose according to their eyes what is right...why not be different then,why not choose what according to you is right and acceptable in your own eyes and heart...its good to be different at times,its good to have the satisfaction that what you did or are doing is right in your own eyes.
possunt quia posse videntur
essyk
#23 Posted : Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:33:55 PM
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rock wrote:
So society is also to blame for campus divas et al?


please tell me what you think.
What I know is that 'many' girls join campus with principles reaching up to the sky.
Then things take a sudden turn once they have familiarised themselves with the sorroudings.
Not only in campus, but it happens in life; the workplace,church,politics etc.
It's personal vs society battle.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
sanity
#24 Posted : Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:39:10 PM
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When I was young,I thought money was everything.Now I am older and wiser, I know money is everything.
Hope is not a strategy
danas10
#25 Posted : Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:43:04 PM
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rock wrote:
You lose your job one day.When you get home your wife says:"Don't worry darling we"ll just get rid of some of the useless s**t we don't need around the house" and you're left very happy thinking what a lovely and understanding wife you've got.Two months later is when you realize that she was talking about YOU!!!



Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

the two are cointegrated.
essyk
#26 Posted : Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:01:27 PM
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maka wrote:

people should never ever base a relationship on what the society thinks is right,we were given brains to think at the end of everything its always you and your better half,the society will never give you a free hall pass to the goodies of the land because you chose according to their eyes what is right...why not be different then,why not choose what according to you is right and acceptable in your own eyes and heart...its good to be different at times,its good to have the satisfaction that what you did or are doing is right in your own eyes.


1. Does a society have the right to judge what is right and wrong in relationship matters?
If not,why then do we hear stuff like,'in our society women are gold diggers and men are womanisers'.
If every man in a particular society believes that all women are after his gold,why not become an expert gold digger instead of trying too hard to prove that you are not, to an already 'corrupted mind?' Your 'principles may be mistaken you know.

-The reason you cannot choose to be different is because it may not work in your favour.



"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
Coolio
#27 Posted : Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:07:39 PM
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Ever heard of the song "No romance without finance!"
Nadondosha meli kubwa seuze ngalawa!
essyk
#28 Posted : Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:25:09 PM
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Coolio wrote:
Ever heard of the song "No romance without finance!"


How do the very poor people do it?
Those who can't afford roasted maize by the roadside for their sweethearts?
Is the quality of their romance different from those served in 5 star establishment?
I know you are thinking that we date those whom we spend most of our time with and so a poor lady in the slum is most likely to date a dude from there and it's therefore no big deal what they can or cannot afford, since it's their way of life.

But that alone is enough proof that there can be love without finance.







"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
youcan'tstopusnow
#29 Posted : Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:58:59 PM
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sanity wrote:
When I was young,I thought money was everything.Now I am older and wiser, I know money is everything.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
Kaigangio
#30 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 12:29:05 AM
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essyk wrote:
...Without refering to personal experiences,...


...@ essyk...this is where you youngans go wrong...if one cannot advise you from experience why would you want to rely on hypotheses for advise especially on issues related to opposite sex unions???

just take it this way, a spinster cannot tell you about matrimonial set up neither can a bachelor...I therefore expect that all that you are reading here that is not motivated by experience, is just but uncalled for theories...

I will give you a story that my grandpa gave me a long time ago....that...one day a hegoat (mahegoat divide by ma..Laughing out loudly) fell sick and every one of the she goat came to know about it...the she goats decided to go and visit him as hegoat was their long time friend...

on the appointed date they went to see the hegoat and they were fully adorned and beautiful indeed. unfortunately, where he was held inpatient could only accommodate one extra animal...So the first she goat went in and after a couple of minutes she came out...very quiet with the mouth hard shut...The other she goats tried to ask her what she had seen,but she remained quiet and would not open her mouth to talk...eventually when she opened her mouth to talk she told them to go right in and find out for themselves...she went her own way.

The second one went in and she came out with a facial appearance resembling the first one and she said the same thing...the third, the fourth...till the last one...experience!!!

@ guka...tell them!!!

Will be back!!!

...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
tycho
#31 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 7:36:22 AM
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Love is the Creator. Money is the created. So if there's a problem it is not one of exclusion.

Love is about being, money on the other hand is the economic system that facilitates being. So both sustain each other.

What is the problem then?

Problems arise when the Creator is not relating with the created consciously. This is so much so in 'artificial' economy that runs on 'tramped up' needs. For example, it is very difficult to meet a person who is living within his means and more so, you'll find the person too eager to have the latest and luxurious items. This pursuit of luxury and conformity to advertisers and Jones's has reversed roles and now man becomes the creation and money, the Creator. And since love implies the power to create relationships will break immediately there's a money scarcity. And in fact, the more relationships break, the poorer people become and the more destruction becomes imminent.

But if one is conscious of his/her being and role, then money cannot be the problem it seems to be. For!? money is created under trust, conversation, empathy. . . Love.

This is why the Bible says, you cannot love both God and money you must love one and hate the other. That is, if there's a reason to love, let the reason be love.
maka
#32 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 8:03:33 AM
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Kaigangio wrote:
essyk wrote:
...Without refering to personal experiences,...


...@ essyk...this is where you youngans go wrong...if one cannot advise you from experience why would you want to rely on hypotheses for advise especially on issues related to opposite sex unions???

just take it this way, a spinster cannot tell you about matrimonial set up neither can a bachelor...I therefore expect that all that you are reading here that is not motivated by experience, is just but uncalled for theories...

I will give you a story that my grandpa gave me a long time ago....that...one day a hegoat (mahegoat divide by ma..Laughing out loudly) fell sick and every one of the she goat came to know about it...the she goats decided to go and visit him as hegoat was their long time friend...

on the appointed date they went to see the hegoat and they were fully adorned and beautiful indeed. unfortunately, where he was held inpatient could only accommodate one extra animal...So the first she goat went in and after a couple of minutes she came out...very quiet with the mouth hard shut...The other she goats tried to ask her what she had seen,but she remained quiet and would not open her mouth to talk...eventually when she opened her mouth to talk she told them to go right in and find out for themselves...she went her own way.

The second one went in and she came out with a facial appearance resembling the first one and she said the same thing...the third, the fourth...till the last one...experience!!!

@ guka...tell them!!!

Will be back!!!


...thats where the wazee,s go wrong no disrespect,just coz someone iz young doesnt negate the kind of advice he/she can give rem I learn from those who are ahead of me,making me bigger and better.
possunt quia posse videntur
rock
#33 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 8:21:41 AM
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tycho wrote:
if there's a reason to love, let the reason be love.

I like! Will print out a t-shirt with those words and wear it on all my dates.smile
josiah33
#34 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 8:29:02 AM
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I believe you are not able to feel that emotion called LOVE if you are constantly on an empty stomach and not out of choice but out of circumstances such as lack of money to buy food. How would you feel love when you are always thinking of ridding yourself of those hunger pangs?
rock
#35 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 8:33:33 AM
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essyk wrote:
rock wrote:
So society is also to blame for campus divas et al?


please tell me what you think.
What I know is that 'many' girls join campus with principles reaching up to the sky.
Then things take a sudden turn once they have familiarised themselves with the sorroudings.
Not only in campus, but it happens in life; the workplace,church,politics etc.
It's personal vs society battle.



This is more about personal choice and ones character and not social influence.I think peer pressure would be the most specific factor.
Kaigangio
#36 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 10:17:49 AM
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maka wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
essyk wrote:
...Without refering to personal experiences,...


...@ essyk...this is where you youngans go wrong...if one cannot advise you from experience why would you want to rely on hypotheses for advise especially on issues related to opposite sex unions???

just take it this way, a spinster cannot tell you about matrimonial set up neither can a bachelor...I therefore expect that all that you are reading here that is not motivated by experience, is just but uncalled for theories...

I will give you a story that my grandpa gave me a long time ago....that...one day a hegoat (mahegoat divide by ma..Laughing out loudly) fell sick and every one of the she goat came to know about it...the she goats decided to go and visit him as hegoat was their long time friend...

on the appointed date they went to see the hegoat and they were fully adorned and beautiful indeed. unfortunately, where he was held inpatient could only accommodate one extra animal...So the first she goat went in and after a couple of minutes she came out...very quiet with the mouth hard shut...The other she goats tried to ask her what she had seen,but she remained quiet and would not open her mouth to talk...eventually when she opened her mouth to talk she told them to go right in and find out for themselves...she went her own way.

The second one went in and she came out with a facial appearance resembling the first one and she said the same thing...the third, the fourth...till the last one...experience!!!

@ guka...tell them!!!

Will be back!!!


...thats where the wazee,s go wrong no disrespect,just coz someone iz young doesnt negate the kind of advice he/she can give rem I learn from those who are ahead of me,making me bigger and better.


@ maka...no wonder the society is falling apart not because the elders/wazees are not advising the youth but because the youth does not want to listen...some things will never change no matter how you look at them...

If you are a believer in the Bible i suggest you read the book 1 Kings 12:1-19...come back and tell me, "hey kaigangio, you were wrong!!!"

...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
tycho
#37 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 10:59:00 AM
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josiah33 wrote:
I believe you are not able to feel that emotion called LOVE if you are constantly on an empty stomach and not out of choice but out of circumstances such as lack of money to buy food. How would you feel love when you are always thinking of ridding yourself of those hunger pangs?


Love is not just an emotional experience. It also includes beliefs, intentions, ideas, expectations, and of course 'sanctioned' interpersonal relations.

But let one say to himself, 'I will eat first then love'. He won't escape the fate of the beast for he will either be a cannibal or a robber. The other alternative of course is to live on the fringes as a sex worker. But even if one escapes these categories he must take a role that calls for pursed lips at all times and plenty of drugs to keep 'stress' away. Either way, one will have to sell his soul to the devil.
maka
#38 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:05:55 PM
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Kaigangio wrote:
maka wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
essyk wrote:
...Without refering to personal experiences,...


...@ essyk...this is where you youngans go wrong...if one cannot advise you from experience why would you want to rely on hypotheses for advise especially on issues related to opposite sex unions???

just take it this way, a spinster cannot tell you about matrimonial set up neither can a bachelor...I therefore expect that all that you are reading here that is not motivated by experience, is just but uncalled for theories...

I will give you a story that my grandpa gave me a long time ago....that...one day a hegoat (mahegoat divide by ma..Laughing out loudly) fell sick and every one of the she goat came to know about it...the she goats decided to go and visit him as hegoat was their long time friend...

on the appointed date they went to see the hegoat and they were fully adorned and beautiful indeed. unfortunately, where he was held inpatient could only accommodate one extra animal...So the first she goat went in and after a couple of minutes she came out...very quiet with the mouth hard shut...The other she goats tried to ask her what she had seen,but she remained quiet and would not open her mouth to talk...eventually when she opened her mouth to talk she told them to go right in and find out for themselves...she went her own way.

The second one went in and she came out with a facial appearance resembling the first one and she said the same thing...the third, the fourth...till the last one...experience!!!

@ guka...tell them!!!

Will be back!!!


...thats where the wazee,s go wrong no disrespect,just coz someone iz young doesnt negate the kind of advice he/she can give rem I learn from those who are ahead of me,making me bigger and better.


@ maka...no wonder the society is falling apart not because the elders/wazees are not advising the youth but because the youth does not want to listen...some things will never change no matter how you look at them...

If you are a believer in the Bible i suggest you read the book 1 Kings 12:1-19...come back and tell me, "hey kaigangio, you were wrong!!!"


...maybe i should have rephrased as you rightly put it,wazee should be listened but shoukd you pick everythn?if a mzee goes out hanyaring' ndogo ndogos living the wife at home he has no right to tell me anythn about being faithful
possunt quia posse videntur
essyk
#39 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:20:44 PM
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hehehe Kaigangio.Even my dad listens to my advice.
Well not always but at times when he knows am serious.
Some old wazees with their advice? smh!

Ok so what was in the HEGOAT'S room? You better finish it up.
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
Kusadikika
#40 Posted : Sunday, October 07, 2012 3:27:57 PM
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essyk wrote:


Ok so what was in the HEGOAT'S room? You better finish it up.



You still don't get it Essyk?!! What was in the HEGOATS room could only be known by those who went in. We did not go in, Kaigangio did not go in. Only the she goats went in and not one of them talked so we do not know what was in there but each of the She goats that went in KNEW and KNOWS. Got it?!
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