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alma wrote:After seeing my posts here, a doc friend called me for lunch.
He gave me a very long lecture.
I've changed my mind. Let the docs go on strike. In fact, I will picket for them.
I only have one condition. Let it be possible for a commoner like me to sue a doctor. On that I'm not budging.
Tukale peremende. If I were the doc I would also have carried a cane. Just in case I needed it during my long lecture
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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alma wrote:After seeing my posts here, a doc friend called me for lunch.
He gave me a very long lecture.
I've changed my mind. Let the docs go on strike. In fact, I will picket for them.
I only have one condition. Let it be possible for a commoner like me to sue a doctor. On that I'm not budging.
Tukale peremende. What changed?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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kamundu wrote:Sorting out this mess was easy. Just absorb the registrars into GOK then BOND them I think am getting confused here. Wasn't the strike originally supposed to be in solidarity with the privately sponsored Registrars who wanted some 92k pm from GoK? And now it has morphed to higher pay for all doctors?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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jamplu wrote:alma wrote:After seeing my posts here, a doc friend called me for lunch.
He gave me a very long lecture.
I've changed my mind. Let the docs go on strike. In fact, I will picket for them.
I only have one condition. Let it be possible for a commoner like me to sue a doctor. On that I'm not budging.
Tukale peremende. What changed? Yes, tell us... What changed?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Oh have seen the doctors demands. Doctors pay is not one of them. http://www.nation.co.ke/...6/-/wk4joj/-/index.html
What Doctors are pushing for: 1. Implementation of the Musyimi taskforce report on improvement of infrastructure. 2. Medical Services ministry to explain whereabouts of Sh200 million post-graduate fees released by Treasury for their training. 3. Reinstatement of 393 striking trainee doctors who were suspended for demanding payment of a Sh92,000 monthly stipend at KNH and Mathare Hospitals.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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poundfoolish wrote:jamplu wrote:alma wrote:After seeing my posts here, a doc friend called me for lunch.
He gave me a very long lecture.
I've changed my mind. Let the docs go on strike. In fact, I will picket for them.
I only have one condition. Let it be possible for a commoner like me to sue a doctor. On that I'm not budging.
Tukale peremende. What changed? Yes, tell us... What changed? First the lunch was not ugali. This is important as I prefer very sweet things like chocolates when I eat. So I found out he had learned the art of softening the target after dealing with Anyang Nyongo My beef has been that I thought the money was the main issue. Then he started crying like a baby telling me the 1k he borrowed from me last year, which he hasn't paid,was for fueling his bijuti for a month. I had to remind him that since he'd bought lunch the debt was offset. Then he started talking about his life as a medic. Let me assure you, the reason why grown men don't cry is because we are very pathetic creatures when we do. He told his story and started crying. He looked pathetic and I had to hold his hand. Even though I wasn't vying for a seat in Kiambu, I just had to hold this sorry ass's hand. Then I started crying too when he showed me the pics of some of the babies he'd treated. Now we were two pathetic old men drinking chocolate crying and it wasn't funny. In short, if a grown man like him can cry, then things are elephant in these hospitals. We should be very very worried. There is a sense in the young docs to do something about healthcare not only their salaries. The old mzees used to their old system are against this strike. Let's give these young ones a chance to speak their minds. I heard what I needed to hear and support them. Only on condition they treat the very sick even as they strike. Then also allow me to sue them when they mess up. Kenyans, shit is happening in these hospitals and we should be very very worried. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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I dont think the strike is justified and here are my reasons based on their grievances: jaggernaut wrote:http://www.nation.co.ke/...6/-/wk4joj/-/index.html
What Doctors are pushing for: 1. Implementation of the Musyimi taskforce report on improvement of infrastructure. Infrastructure can not be improved by calling for a strike. It takes resources and time, it's a long term goal. Even the Akiwumi, Kreigler etc reports were not implemented in one day2. Medical Services ministry to explain whereabouts of Sh200 million post-graduate fees released by Treasury for their training. Valid question but govt can only pay for students they have sponsored, and not privately sponsored ones, whether doctors, engineers, teachers etc. Its only the GoK sponsored students who should be asking that question, or potential students.3. Reinstatement of 393 striking trainee doctors who were suspended for demanding payment of a Sh92,000 monthly stipend at KNH and Mathare Hospitals. How can a trainee privately sponsored student go on strike eti because he wants to be paid? The student should be requesting for scholarships from available donors, including GoK, for the studies, not demanding, striking and throwing tantrums
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/25/2010 Posts: 939 Location: Nai
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alma wrote:poundfoolish wrote:jamplu wrote:alma wrote:After seeing my posts here, a doc friend called me for lunch.
He gave me a very long lecture.
I've changed my mind. Let the docs go on strike. In fact, I will picket for them.
I only have one condition. Let it be possible for a commoner like me to sue a doctor. On that I'm not budging.
Tukale peremende. What changed? Yes, tell us... What changed? First the lunch was not ugali. This is important as I prefer very sweet things like chocolates when I eat. So I found out he had learned the art of softening the target after dealing with Anyang Nyongo My beef has been that I thought the money was the main issue. Then he started crying like a baby telling me the 1k he borrowed from me last year, which he hasn't paid,was for fueling his bijuti for a month. I had to remind him that since he'd bought lunch the debt was offset. Then he started talking about his life as a medic. Let me assure you, the reason why grown men don't cry is because we are very pathetic creatures when we do. He told his story and started crying. He looked pathetic and I had to hold his hand. Even though I wasn't vying for a seat in Kiambu, I just had to hold this sorry ass's hand. Then I started crying too when he showed me the pics of some of the babies he'd treated. Now we were two pathetic old men drinking chocolate crying and it wasn't funny. In short, if a grown man like him can cry, then things are elephant in these hospitals. We should be very very worried. There is a sense in the young docs to do something about healthcare not only their salaries. The old mzees used to their old system are against this strike. Let's give these young ones a chance to speak their minds. I heard what I needed to hear and support them. Only on condition they treat the very sick even as they strike. Then also allow me to sue them when they mess up. Kenyans, shit is happening in these hospitals and we should be very very worried. @alma let me not talk about the chocolate and the two old men sobbing publicly ....but at least you now have an idea how bad things are.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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Eish..!!! You started with those 'Zingers' Obama is accused of not using last debate.. but Alma... You like chocolates, and cried.. yet you keep referring to 'holding hands though not vying for Kiambu'???? hapo kuna kitu haiongezekani..
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/26/2008 Posts: 380
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The public health care is in a bad mess. Its very rotten.
Just have a look at the striking doctors. They are very very young, most of them less than 5 years in practice. Most are in their 30's. That the young people of this country are not taking the crap thrown at them, and are fighting for a change is very commendable. Whether how they are doing it is the best way, is open to debate.
You have a choice, work within the system, and be part of it, or demand for the change you want. The doctors have made theirs - will you?
Kenya needs radical measures for things to reform. I believe this is just one of them in the health care sector. We need the same in other sectors.
My only condition is - when they agree to go back to work, the govt should not pay their salaries for the time they have not been working. No work, No pay. Its time someone learns that striking does have consequences on their pockets as well.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,905
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It's over, for now...Quote:IS THIS THE SIGNED AGREEMENT TO END THE STRIKE n brief.....moms to absorb the registrars, psc to write a letter for reinstating Dr. Onyimbo Kerama, DJGP not possible esp due to doctors in Job group P where do they Go? CBA to be concluded in 30 days, drs due for promotion to be Promoted in october, HSC to go thru cabinet in 14 days
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/25/2009 Posts: 973
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Phewks!!Another reason i'm glad the strike is over is they'll be back to work and busy coz those medics can really go on and on about aspirin. *yawn*
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/25/2009 Posts: 973
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McReggae wrote:@MKWASI, wasn't Mutulu also very arrogant to the teachers, their strike has since ended, there is more than meets the eye here, the painful/avoidable deaths aint necessary, they must stop......the onus is on the Govt (Nyongo is part of it) and the doctors to stop this shyt!!! I am with you kabisa on this one..nyongo has apologised to kenyans for the strike..have you ever been a supervisor/top management in an institution and you're the spokesperson with your hands tied behind your back?! Those offensive remarks are made by someone being defensive (cornered) and am sure most of us can relate to that.
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