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Is Satan omnipresent?
Coolio
#11 Posted : Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:59:48 AM
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StatMeister wrote:
maka wrote:
He,s he everywhere,does he know me by name,where does he keep his database?


The database server must be in Naivasha

Shame on you
Nadondosha meli kubwa seuze ngalawa!
essyk
#12 Posted : Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:04:06 PM
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^^ lmao!
maka wrote:
Interesting so his foot soldiers are the ones who keep him abreast wth what everyone is doing,ama?


Satan is a fool.He cannot read minds.But God can.

What he does is provide opportunities for wickedness to flourish and prosper and urges you on.
lol Read the bible for urself or I ask for tithe.

"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
bebeto
#13 Posted : Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:11:28 PM
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where did ELI go to? his contribution would be highly wellcome here......and NGWONO's

wazuans, we should be our brothers' keepers.
"The chief danger in life is that you may take too many precautions" - Alfred adler
AlphDoti
#14 Posted : Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:46:32 PM
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maka wrote:
He,s he everywhere,does he know me by name,where does he keep his database?

Let me ask you: do spirits die?

Did you know that
- all souls including those children who are not yet born were already created and just waiting for a body to be born?
- the existed since the time they were created
- when they die, they go back to spirit form

There two types of creation:
- seen and
- unseen

Comparison
- God created angels and jinn
- He created the angels from pure light
- He created the jinn from fire
- The angels do not have free will of their own, whatever God says, they believe and do.
- The jinn have free will, they can either obey God or they can disobey.
The human beings are like the jinn, have free will

NOTE:
(i). The human being are seen creatures, while the jinn are normally unseen (i.e. note "normal circumstances").
(ii). In human being, there're people who follow God's commandments and they're the good people, like the angels. Those who disobey, they become like the satan.
(iii). Similarly, the jinns, those who obey God's commandments, they're good jinns. And there're bad jinns. The bad jinns are the satan the Iblis.
tycho
#15 Posted : Tuesday, October 02, 2012 3:42:57 PM
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Beneath the 'last mask', when man is totally naked, there is his 'state of nature'. This nature is full of fear and weakness. I think the TV program 'naswa' serves to show this.

But how then can man be? For man to be, he must affirm 'goodness'. He must affirm immortality. But he has fear deep within himself. So he must deny it. And to deny it effectively he must have an explanation for the end of things where his fearful and destructive nature will be 'defeated'.

Some, like Origen, see this defeat as a reconciliation, while others, see destruction as the end. To me, they are the same thing.

That is the limit of Satan's being. So he cannot be omnipresent.

Does Satan know your name? (Do you know your name?) In this case there's only one name to know. 'Man'.

Where is his data base? 'In you'.
AlphDoti
#16 Posted : Tuesday, October 02, 2012 3:44:17 PM
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Now back to Satan, or shaitan or Iblis.
- Iblis is one of the jinn
- He was created before man was created
- The first to be created of the Jinn was named Marij
- And the Lord created second one to be his wife, and she was named Marija.
- They had a son and they called him Jinn.
- From them derived all the clans of the Jinn, including Iblis.
- And the Lord gave them the earth to dwell therein.
- And they lived and worshipped there for a long time.
- So much did they worship that the angels grew amazed, and said to the Lord of the Heavens and Earth;
"Oh our Lord, raise them up to heaven, so that we might learn from them and follow their good example"
- So the Lord brought Iblis, then Azazil, up to be among the angels and he lived with them in the first heaven
- Others remained living on earth
some remained righteous
while a number of them became sinners and transgressed the law, as did the children of Adam (peace be upon him) after them.
- Iblis was good worshipper in heaven for many years, until Adam (peace be upon him) was created
- Then the Lord ordered all the angels to bow down before Adam (pbuh)
and all the angels obeyed except Iblis
- The Lord asked him the reason for his refusal to prostrate to Adam when Allah commanded him to do so.
- Iblis (may The Lord curse him) said:
“‘I am better than him (Adam), You created me from fire, and him You created from clay’” Quran 7:12; Quran 38:76
- This indicates that he was one of the jinn
- The Lord said:
"Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."
NOTE: You can see his followers are like him: rebellious to Creator. At every step Iblis falls lower: arrogance, jealousy, disobedience, egotism and untruth.
- Iblis said: "Give me respite till the day they are raised up."
- The Lord said: "Be thou among those who have respite."
NOTE: You can see Iblis has a large army of wicked seducers, and those men who their dupes.
- Iblis said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way:"

So Iblis is sill alive until the Last Day, Judgement day, Siku ya Giyama.
The Lord will then throw him into hell fire together with his followers, among the human and the jinn
Shall we allow ourselves to fall into his snare?

The Lord says:
O ye Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you,
in the same manner asHe got your parents out of the Garden,
stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame:
for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them:
We made the evil ones friends (only) to those without faith
(Quran 7:27)

The Lord says:
Verily Satan is an enemy to you:so treat him as an enemy.
He only invites his adherents, that they may become Companions of the Blazing Fire.
(Quran 35:6)

Reference
josiah33
#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 02, 2012 4:21:06 PM
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who is satan?
maka
#18 Posted : Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:26:43 PM
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essyk wrote:
^^ lmao!
maka wrote:
Interesting so his foot soldiers are the ones who keep him abreast wth what everyone is doing,ama?


Satan is a fool.He cannot read minds.But God can.

What he does is provide opportunities for wickedness to flourish and prosper and urges you on.
lol Read the bible for urself or I ask for tithe.


...I do read the bible just that at times I have more questions than answers like if the world is 7000 yearz old and before that it waz void and without form,darkness filled the earth,there waz no water or air...how kam we get fossilised dinosour remains that are millions of yearz old,does that mean carbon dating is way wrong?maswali huja doesnt mean i dont believe or trust in God,I know he exists and I have seen His hand throughout my life.
possunt quia posse videntur
Kratos
#19 Posted : Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:33:43 PM
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maka wrote:
essyk wrote:
^^ lmao!
maka wrote:
Interesting so his foot soldiers are the ones who keep him abreast wth what everyone is doing,ama?


Satan is a fool.He cannot read minds.But God can.

What he does is provide opportunities for wickedness to flourish and prosper and urges you on.
lol Read the bible for urself or I ask for tithe.


...I do read the bible just that at times I have more questions than answers like if the world is 7000 yearz old and before that it waz void and without form,darkness filled the earth,there waz no water or air...how kam we get fossilised dinosour remains that are millions of yearz old,does that mean carbon dating is way wrong?maswali huja doesnt mean i dont believe or trust in God,I know he exists and I have seen His hand throughout my life.


@ Maka, Google "the reluctant messenger" it provides theories on how it could be possible.

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
qooler
#20 Posted : Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:38:09 PM
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StatMeister wrote:
maka wrote:
He,s he everywhere,does he know me by name,where does he keep his database?


The database server must be in Naivasha


HellsGate?
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