@Alphdoti & @scout-boy,great discussion, I am learning a lot from both of you.

@Patni, as an adult, you and you only are responsible for your spiritual well being not your parents. After all, we will all appear before our maker alone, not with our spouses/kids/parents/friends etc.

How and why did Moses die?

After seeing the back of God's flesh. Moses grew extremely bold and exposed the Man God. He became unbearable to his people. The people killed him.

Jesus exposed the Man God, and was killed.

Mohammed then finds himself in a tricky position: should he proclaim the Man God and lose his head when there's an empire to be built?

He then decides to project himself to the heavens and cuts all ideas that would tie him to the Man God.

And indeed Mohammed had a political motive, and his disciples have this motive today.

But what of the church fathers?

Arius was poisoned to pave way for Athanasius.

For Constantine had a motive for supporting the Trinity. For then he could safely be the Man God but hide behind the cross.

But the Man God still is. Eternal.

So Islam, Christianity, and religion are but masks of the Man God.

Was the purpose of this thread to take the wind off someones sails? Was it to make someone feel inadequate or unprepared to answer questions?

I will have no interest if it was but if it was to debate an issue then I will contribute.

What does the Koran teach about Mary and her son?

If I could compare the Korans descriptions of events in Marys and Jesus's lives etc with the apocryphal gospels about the same, wont I be tempted to believe that Mohamed depended upon the apocrypha to write those portions of the Koran? Being that the apocrypha was around before Islam?

This should not be taken that christians are home and dry having enough wind in their sails. The content of the apocrypha itself is very questionable.

The Quran is purely the Word of God since He dictated it Angel Jibril who brought it to mankind through Muhammad.
This sounds laudable but actual sense it leaves God extremely vulnerable.Not only can any hint of drivel be directly attributed to Him but the likes of Chinua Achebe and other authors can be driven to think they can do better.Besides,there are theological debates as to whether God can morally govern man.


The bible on the hand is the inspired word of God.This inspiration could be through visions etc, it was upon the prophets to write these in their own words.


Agreeing on every other doctrinal issue is not a core teaching of the BIble.



Faith is New Testament jargon

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.Heb 11:1

Meaning faith has to be accompanied by results.Faith is not going against known facts,truths or common sense without any immediate results.Now Alpha, you can see why the church across the deniminations glorifies miracles.





I'll reiterate,its impossible for any person to tamper with scriptures:

1.No evidence exists for this.We have historical records detailing worship in ancients societies from druids ,Aztecs,mayans etc.Despite the fact that these religions have little or no adherents
there religious texts/symbols are still present.Meaning, its much more difficult to alter scriptures belonging to religions that have active participants.
2.The average priest/prophet simply does not have time to alter scriptures and later preach them ,he/she would prefer to completely come up with something new.
Take for example the average pastor He/she has never and might never even open a Quran or any other religious text apart from the bible.
3.Examining the point above, a case study helps.Looking at Buddhism and many eastern religions mainly from India.They sprang up when Hinduism was the main religion.Hinduism was not extinguished.
The same scenario could have played out if there were apostatic people who did not believe the Torah ,this group would have splintered from the rest and formed there own text.Thus two parallel religious texts would
exist at any given time.

4.It's a counterproductive exercise in this sense.Because if I alter scriptures what would prevent my new formed scriptures being changed in the future?I will have set a precedent.
5.Its against human nature.Writing is more or less a work of art.When MichaelAngelo began his masterpieces he did not contemplate destroying the works of Leornado da Vinci.All He had to do to prove he was the boss was for him to come up with better paintings/sculptures so that the world coulf compare.No sane writer would dream of destroying another's work.The quran bigget selling point is having the bible around.


6.The number of copies in circulation should be examined.While the Quran has only early texts(Samarkand and the one at Al Azhar) dated 150-200 years after Hijra
.The new testament had at least 20000 manuscripts in different languages by more or less period the same period.

http://carm.org/manuscript-evidence.


Which is easier gathering two manuscripts or twenty thousand?

The first 100 years of islam were marked with conquests.Here is something to note:
1.No mention of Quran,Muhammad by the vanquished .I.e they never said their conquerors came with a book. etc.Many societies referred to them as “Ishmaelites,” “Saracens,” “Muhajirun” and “Hagarians.” etc in their texts.
2.Among the first masjid/mosques to be built had a cross.Cross and Islam do not mix.
3.THe first coins to be minted after the conquests had crosses and no reference to Quran or Muhammad.

The first biography of the Prophet by Ishaq appears 125 years after his death .Imagine having a biography of Mandela 100 years plus after his death.

That is ok.

But do could you kindly excuse us, please?

@YESU. Slow down. I too am amazed at what @scoutboy is saying.He is no doubt a refined schola, the type that religious leaders do not like hanging around. It is obvious that our religions thrive on historical ignorances of the masses, and religious scholars practicing selective amenesia. Otherwise I feel properly educated, and thank you all for your participation. @ Alpha, am looking forward to your new revelations. Remember, we are putting ALL religions under the microscope,

I thought Saudi and Afghan were strict Islamic nations, a feature on RT news has left me disturbed, young boys ckothed as girls, forced to dance and later sex with the men, alcohol in water bottles, just because women are off limits at parties or in public, which is the lesser evil, sex with women or boys, really disappointed in Islam, and Catholic priests, note the two are told to stay away from women.

@kayhara, do not be another propaganda peddler. Where does Islam say "stay away from women"? Marriage has been ordained in Islam. and marriage is between man and woman. There is no compromise in the law of God. Islam is clear about it: no fornication, no adultery, no sodomy, no alcohol.

If anyone is fooling around, even when they fool the authority, or the authority fooling us, even when they disguise, they will not fool God whom they will be answerable to on the Day of Judgment.

NOTE: Anyone going the way of SODOM and COMORAH are neither Muslims nor Christians. Jesus p.b.u.h never taught that. Muhammad p.b.u.h never taught that. They are just following their arrogance and they will pay.