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StatMeister
#1 Posted : Wednesday, September 26, 2012 10:55:49 AM
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The chances your PIN is a 1111, 2222, 1234 ... sequence, or its simply your birth year . . . is 40%.

If I stole 10 ATM cards, I could guess at least 1 correctly with only 3 tries!

http://www.datagenetics....eptember32012/index.html
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dunkang
#2 Posted : Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:12:11 AM
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[quote=StatMeister]The chances your PIN is a 1111, 2222, 1234 ... sequence, or its simply your birth year . . . is 40%.

If I stole 10 ATM cards, I could guess at least 1 correctly with only 3 tries!

http://www.datagenetics....ptember32012/index.html[/quote]
but you do not know any other detail. Not much helpful
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StatMeister
#3 Posted : Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:21:55 AM
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dunkang wrote:
[quote=StatMeister]The chances your PIN is a 1111, 2222, 1234 ... sequence, or its simply your birth year . . . is 40%.

If I stole 10 ATM cards, I could guess at least 1 correctly with only 3 tries!

http://www.datagenetics....ptember32012/index.html[/quote]
but you do not know any other detail. Not much helpful


The cartoon at the bottom:
“Through 20 years of effort, we have successfully trained everyone to use passwords that are hard for humans to remember, but easy for computers to guess”

Now remember Sony, Yahoo, Linkedin, Formspring, EHarmony

http://www.zdnet.com/yah...account-hack-7000000894/
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Kaigangio
#4 Posted : Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:16:48 PM
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[quote=StatMeister]The chances your PIN is a 1111, 2222, 1234 ... sequence, or its simply your birth year . . . is 40%.

If I stole 10 ATM cards, I could guess at least 1 correctly with only 3 tries!

http://www.datagenetics....ptember32012/index.html[/quote]

40% is not true!!! This is the reason...

From the little mathematics that i remember i will prove this fallacy through Permutations (picking and filling the numbers in the PIN No. fields from 10 digits that is 0-9)

With repetition

If the PIN No has 4 digits, the first digit field can be occupied by 10 digits...in other words there are 10 possibilities for the first choice...10 possibilities for the second choice and so are the third and fourth...

so you can choose four digits from a pack of 10 in 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 ways without any order..

this is 10,000 permutations or ways. so far so good.

The trouble is, only one 4 digit combination is correct

The probability of getting this correct combination of digits that make up the PIN No. is 1/10,000 = 0.00001...toll order!!


...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
StatMeister
#5 Posted : Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:26:22 PM
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Kaigangio wrote:
[quote=StatMeister]The chances your PIN is a 1111, 2222, 1234 ... sequence, or its simply your birth year . . . is 40%.

If I stole 10 ATM cards, I could guess at least 1 correctly with only 3 tries!

http://www.datagenetics....ptember32012/index.html[/quote]

40% is not true!!! This is the reason...

From the little mathematics that i remember i will prove this fallacy through Permutations (picking and filling the numbers in the PIN No. fields from 10 digits that is 0-9)

With repetition

If the PIN No has 4 digits, the first digit field can be occupied by 10 digits...in other words there are 10 possibilities for the first choice...10 possibilities for the second choice and so are the third and fourth...

so you can choose four digits from a pack of 10 in 10 x 10 x 10 x 10 ways without any order..

this is 10,000 permutations or ways. so far so good.

The trouble is, only one 4 digit combination is correct

The probability of getting this correct combination of digits that make up the PIN No. is 1/10,000 = 0.00001...toll order!!




While you are correct, the truth is that people forget these PINs so many times, they have learnt to keep simple - birth year

Second, people are very likely to pick key-pad sequences, e.g. 2580 (on phone keypad) than some random number.
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