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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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Maichblack,thanks for your informative piece, hower i thought phd students are supervised by professors.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,468
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mawinder wrote:Maichblack,thanks for your informative piece, hower i thought phd students are supervised by professors. No. An experienced Phd. can supervise a Phd. student. We don't have enough professors in Kenya especially in some disciplines like Engineering. There are some university departments without a single professor! With a masters you become an Assistant Lecturer. Phd. - you become a Lecturer. After years of experience, research and publications, you become a Senior Lecturer [still not a Prof.]. A Senior Lecturer can supervise a Phd. student. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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And how much do private universities pay their lecturers?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,468
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jaggernaut wrote:And how much do private universities pay their lecturers? That's a very general question. It's like asking "How much do IT companies pay their secretaries?" Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/24/2011 Posts: 833
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@Maich thank you for your insight into academia, It s so har d to come by data on what lecturers make in Kenya, do you have any of that?
thanks
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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....and some lecturers have less than 6 lessons in a week and thus teach in other universities as part time. Some have consultancy firms. Some run their companies, wengine wanalalia mkono!!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/9/2011 Posts: 786 Location: Mashinani
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MaichBlack wrote:Let me try to address the some of the issues raised here.
1) How do you become a Prof. This is decided by a high ranking univesity committee. You need to have a Phd., kibao research, teaching experience, supervised a good number of masters and Phd. students, have enough publications, written univesity level books or quite a number of chapters in various books etc. etc. The problem is that there is no specific/exact number and combination of these things that you must have to become a Prof. and this makes the process very subjective. Public universities have traditionally been economical when it comes to the issue of professors and as a result there are several people who have achieved the above and much more and they are still Dr. so and so.
2) Can you become a Prof. without a Phd? In Kenya, your chances are between zero and none. The Kenyan system is very rigid. Phd. then the above. If you get your professorship elsewhere and come back to Kenya, lucky you. It cannot be reversed - if it is from a recognized university.
3) How long does it take to do a Phd.? It will take you a minimum of three years even if you are doing it full time in a foreign university. In Kenya, it can take you up to ten years! I'm sure most of you read "Sitting on your papers" in the Daily Nation some time back. There are people who go to the River Road of India. Those ones I will not discuss. Hizo ni degree za kununua and they will not get you far in Kenya!!! At the medical/dental school, you can be a prof without PHD Peace in our Homeland.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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keraka wrote:
Yes you can do a PHD in less than two years moreso in some foreighn Universities.Most PHD coursework takes between 1 and 1.5 years the rest of the time will be wasted in thesis writting.It might take you 1 year to conceive a research topic and another year for it to be accepted,dont forget youll be travelling allover kenya looking for your prof. to do a grammatical correction for your research topic.My spouse was so psyched to achieve the highest in academia,only to be frustrated in writing her masters research work for four Years(In fact her supervisor died along the way) since then hataki "ujinga" ya academia.
I know most of us here have the masters paper lakini project tunajua tuu abstract coz it was written by some freelancers.Iko chida hapo but its good to try.
In India you do your PHD in two years flat na pia unapatiwa ka bachelor/Diploma certificate upelekee mama incase she dint have any.I think its the best.
What do you mean PhD Coursework? There is no such thing! What do you mean "time wasted"? Or did you intend to say "spent"? One cannot be "wasting time" while doing what one signed up for. That would be a contradiction in terms - and practical impossibility! Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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kamundu wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Let me try to address the some of the issues raised here.
1) How do you become a Prof. This is decided by a high ranking univesity committee. You need to have a Phd., kibao research, teaching experience, supervised a good number of masters and Phd. students, have enough publications, written univesity level books or quite a number of chapters in various books etc. etc. The problem is that there is no specific/exact number and combination of these things that you must have to become a Prof. and this makes the process very subjective. Public universities have traditionally been economical when it comes to the issue of professors and as a result there are several people who have achieved the above and much more and they are still Dr. so and so.
2) Can you become a Prof. without a Phd? In Kenya, your chances are between zero and none. The Kenyan system is very rigid. Phd. then the above. If you get your professorship elsewhere and come back to Kenya, lucky you. It cannot be reversed - if it is from a recognized university.
3) How long does it take to do a Phd.? It will take you a minimum of three years even if you are doing it full time in a foreign university. In Kenya, it can take you up to ten years! I'm sure most of you read "Sitting on your papers" in the Daily Nation some time back. There are people who go to the River Road of India. Those ones I will not discuss. Hizo ni degree za kununua and they will not get you far in Kenya!!! At the medical/dental school, you can be a prof without PHD Can someone confirm this? It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Nonetheless; I am very concerned about our preoccupation with how much various professionals earn. Is a salary all that one has to show for being in a certain profession? Is money the only output? If yes; then " meaningless, meaningless... everything is meaningless. What do people gain from all their labuors at which they toil under the sun?" {Ecclesiastes, CAP 1, Ver 2 - 3} Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/25/2012 Posts: 261
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@maichblack,
Thanks for the informative piece. What of ;
Prof Kiama Wangai . He has a LLM,LLB and MBCHB, MMED (Path)
I see the guy is already a Prof.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/24/2010 Posts: 637 Location: Nairobi
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mukiha wrote:keraka wrote:
Yes you can do a PHD in less than two years moreso in some foreighn Universities.Most PHD coursework takes between 1 and 1.5 years the rest of the time will be wasted in thesis writting.It might take you 1 year to conceive a research topic and another year for it to be accepted,dont forget youll be travelling allover kenya looking for your prof. to do a grammatical correction for your research topic.My spouse was so psyched to achieve the highest in academia,only to be frustrated in writing her masters research work for four Years(In fact her supervisor died along the way) since then hataki "ujinga" ya academia.
I know most of us here have the masters paper lakini project tunajua tuu abstract coz it was written by some freelancers.Iko chida hapo but its good to try.
In India you do your PHD in two years flat na pia unapatiwa ka bachelor/Diploma certificate upelekee mama incase she dint have any.I think its the best.
What do you mean PhD Coursework? There is no such thing! What do you mean "time wasted"? Or did you intend to say "spent"? One cannot be "wasting time" while doing what one signed up for. That would be a contradiction in terms - and practical impossibility!  There is no PHD course work??? Thats a new one to me. Yes i meant time wasted and not constructively spent,as in time spent running around looking for your Supervisors in Bars and Hotels or even their upcountry homes for non existent corrections and changing structures of statements. Re read Maichback's statement on how it is difficult to be awarded a PHD from a Kenyan public University. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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@keraka: you initial post did not talk about "running around looking for your Supervisors in Bars and Hotels or even their upcountry homes..." You had simply said "the rest of the time will be wasted in thesis writing" And yes, there is no coursework in a PhD program. The reason is that a PhD is not "taught"; it is "learned". You are not taught, you develop new knowledge. You identify a gap in the body of knowledge and then attempt to fill it up through research. You are then assessed not so much on the value/volume of new knowledge that you discovered, but more on you approach and methods in the search for that knowledge. Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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But still; I do agree with @MaichBlack; it takes too long to get a PhD in Kenya. The culprit, in my view is LAZINESS! The students are lazy, but the supervisors are even lazier! I know several Kenyan guys who went to UK universities for PhDs and spent over 6 years there doing little more than downing pints at the pubs. Eventually their scholarships were withdrawn and they returned to Kenya empty handed.... I also know several Kenyan supervisors who spend three months reading a 10-page chapter... claiming they are very busy with other research... for which they have no results to show! Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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