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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2012 Posts: 3,855 Location: Othumo
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Lolest! wrote:Magigi wrote:plunged our country into chaos. Let him Rest In Peace on that chair as he gets proper treatment! Lies told in Kenyan history: 1. Mau Mau drove the white man out of Kenya. 2. Disputed elections led to the chaos in 2007/2008 -We all know ODM's strongest pillar was hatred. 41 vs 1. Their supporters had seized properties belonging to Kibaki's tribesmen whom ODM propaganda had painted as beneficiaries of govt funding through Equity Bank. Blaming Kivuitu is scapegoating!! But he was partly to blame tho yawa! Thieves
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/8/2011 Posts: 482 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Magigi wrote:plunged our country into chaos. Let him Rest In Peace on that chair as he gets proper treatment! Lies told in Kenyan history: 1. Mau Mau drove the white man out of Kenya. 2. Disputed elections led to the chaos in 2007/2008 -We all know ODM's strongest pillar was hatred. 41 vs 1. Their supporters had seized properties belonging to Kibaki's tribesmen whom ODM propaganda had painted as beneficiaries of govt funding through Equity Bank. Blaming Kivuitu is scapegoating!! Theories of he was just a pawn. Please, he allowed himself to be. If all was not well. didn't he have a choice to quit?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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mukiha wrote:Once all of us emotional wrecks have gone away, and our grand children start digging up the history, I think they will declare him a hero for agreeing to become the scapegoat... both sides cheated senseless; nobody could have stopped it. After all the mess; it required some one of Kivuitus character to accept the blame and give the country a chance to move on.
Kibaki supporters believe that Raila started the stealing. Raila supporters believe that Kibaki started it. But the two camps prefer to heap the blame on Kivuitu... it is easier that way. And Kivuitu has chosen not to engage in shouting march with politicians...for the sake of the nation. Nonsense, if both sides cheated then he shouldn't have called it for one side. He dropped the ball big time and thats probably whats killing him. I have no sympathy for him. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:mukiha wrote:Once all of us emotional wrecks have gone away, and our grand . Nonsense, if both sides cheated then he shouldn't have called it for one side. He dropped the ball big time and thats probably whats killing him more than anything else. Kuwa mpole.... "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Manyala wrote:Lolest! wrote:Magigi wrote:plunged our country into chaos. Let him Rest In Peace on that chair as he gets proper treatment! Lies told in Kenyan history: 1. Mau Mau drove the white man out of Kenya. 2. Disputed elections led to the chaos in 2007/2008 -We all know ODM's strongest pillar was hatred. 41 vs 1. Their supporters had seized properties belonging to Kibaki's tribesmen whom ODM propaganda had painted as beneficiaries of govt funding through Equity Bank. Blaming Kivuitu is scapegoating!! Theories of he was just a pawn. Please, he allowed himself to be. If all was not well. didn't he have a choice to quit? where did I say he was a pawn? I lay the blame squarely on Orange Hse and the one man who could have stopped the violence- Raila Amolo Odinga.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/31/2008 Posts: 7,081 Location: Kenya
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:mukiha wrote:Once all of us emotional wrecks have gone away, and our grand children start digging up the history, I think they will declare him a hero for agreeing to become the scapegoat... both sides cheated senseless; nobody could have stopped it. After all the mess; it required some one of Kivuitus character to accept the blame and give the country a chance to move on.
Kibaki supporters believe that Raila started the stealing. Raila supporters believe that Kibaki started it. But the two camps prefer to heap the blame on Kivuitu... it is easier that way. And Kivuitu has chosen not to engage in shouting march with politicians...for the sake of the nation. Nonsense, if both sides cheated then he shouldn't have called it for one side. He dropped the ball big time and thats probably whats killing him. I have no sympathy for him. ...tell the teacher that once more...
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/8/2011 Posts: 482 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Manyala wrote:Lolest! wrote:Magigi wrote:plunged our country into chaos. Let him Rest In Peace on that chair as he gets proper treatment! Lies told in Kenyan history: 1. Mau Mau drove the white man out of Kenya. 2. Disputed elections led to the chaos in 2007/2008 -We all know ODM's strongest pillar was hatred. 41 vs 1. Their supporters had seized properties belonging to Kibaki's tribesmen whom ODM propaganda had painted as beneficiaries of govt funding through Equity Bank. Blaming Kivuitu is scapegoating!! Theories of he was just a pawn. Please, he allowed himself to be. If all was not well. didn't he have a choice to quit? where did I say he was a pawn? I lay the blame squarely on Orange Hse and the one man who could have stopped the violence- Raila Amolo Odinga. Kivuitu should have stopped it by stating that both parties were involved in rigging; in view of this he should have declared he is unable to verify who the true winner was and washed his hands from it. If things were not going as expected, why state it the go ahead and the go ahead and declare one the winner. Or is it a question of who rigged less? Please, please don't give this man, RAO, too much credit. What do you mean he is the only man who could have stopped the violence? Who powerful is this man, surely?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Manyala wrote:
Kivuitu should have stopped it by stating that both parties were involved in rigging; in view of this he should have declared he is unable to verify who the true winner was and washed his hands from it. If things were not going as expected, why state it the go ahead and the go ahead and declare one the winner. Or is it a question of who rigged less?
Pause to think what would have happened! Watu wangechinjana chinji chinji. Regardless of what happened, there was going to be chaos courtesy of the hate campaign which peaked btwn 2005-2007.
Please, please don't give this man, RAO, too much credit. What do you mean he is the only man who could have stopped the violence? Who powerful is this man, surely?
He was. No Raila No Peace goons would have listened to him if he had urged them to be peaceful. Wiper supporters were not engaging in rape, killings and arson, were they?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/8/2011 Posts: 482 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Manyala wrote:
Kivuitu should have stopped it by stating that both parties were involved in rigging; in view of this he should have declared he is unable to verify who the true winner was and washed his hands from it. If things were not going as expected, why state it the go ahead and the go ahead and declare one the winner. Or is it a question of who rigged less?
Pause to think what would have happened! Watu wangechinjana chinji chinji. Regardless of what happened, there was going to be chaos courtesy of the hate campaign which peaked btwn 2005-2007.
Please, please don't give this man, RAO, too much credit. What do you mean he is the only man who could have stopped the violence? Who powerful is this man, surely?
He was. No Raila No Peace goons would have listened to him if he had urged them to be peaceful. Wiper supporters were not engaging in rape, killings and arson, were they?
Question is did he do a good job and if he knew of the challenges he should have quit; period. It is called integrity. Again let me say this, you make RAO soo powerful, that what ever he wishes for goes. so if he say, 'No Raila No Peace'; it goes. No authority to challenge that and ensure peace prevails. Spare me.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Kifaki f@#$ed up in constituting the ECK, he did worse than Moi who accented to the 1997 IPPG agreement....this was the actual cause of the violence, Kifaki stuffed his men in ECK to steal the elections!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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ODM made it clear they had won elections even before elections...they followed the advise of one Dick Morris to make the place ungovernable just as he advised some politicians in Eastern Europe causing similar chaos. I still believe ODM bears the greatest responsibility for all the destruction but let's focus on 2013 elections for now if at all we learn't anything in 2007/2008. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2011 Posts: 193 Location: nairobi
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There's so much HATE in Wazua. Don't be surprised if we have a post election violence during one of the mbuzi's.
I pray for peace & understanding in Wazua.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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McReggae wrote:Kifaki f@#$ed up in constituting the ECK, he did worse than Moi who accented to the 1997 IPPG agreement....this was the actual cause of the violence, Kifaki stuffed his men in ECK to steal the elections!!!! For the sake of argument, I will assume Kibaki rigged himself in. However, this doesnt change the FACT that there was to be chaos whether Kibaki won or Raila won. The General Election was The Anti-Kikuyu election. I attended a church in Siaya in Dec 07 and during announcements a pastor urged people to ensure they were in the register to ensure that this Kikuyu goes home. On the 1st day of announcing results, when Raila was leading, Kikuyus were being told to leave RV. In Nairobi, goons were taking over properties belonging to Kikuyus.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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harrydre wrote:ODM made it clear they had won elections even before elections...they followed the advise of one Dick Morris to make the place ungovernable just as he advised some politicians in Eastern Europe causing similar chaos. I still believe ODM bears the greatest responsibility for all the destruction but let's focus on 2013 elections for now if at all we learn't anything in 2007/2008. i don't know why you have still not been hit with a bucket full of s*#t from some fellows here... ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@manyala, I am yet to say anything about Kivuitus competence. Direct all that to @mukiha. ...Did Raila do his best to stop the violence? His supporters were so angry with elections that they raped! Anger with elections caused erections? I still believe that if Raila wanted his supporters to stop, he would have stopped them. But he was a beneficiary of the violence!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/20/2009 Posts: 1,402
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i honestry think....irrespective of what he did or what he did not do all the next posts should just have one of two simple sentences
1. Pole Kivuitu, wishing you a Quick Recoverly (let God choose the kind of healing)
Or
2. , Bye Kivuitu..Kwenda Kabisa! n I dont expect to ever be where u will be.
and I start
Quick recovery
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:McReggae wrote:Kifaki f@#$ed up in constituting the ECK, he did worse than Moi who accented to the 1997 IPPG agreement....this was the actual cause of the violence, Kifaki stuffed his men in ECK to steal the elections!!!! For the sake of argument, I will assume Kibaki rigged himself in. However, this doesnt change the FACT that there was to be chaos whether Kibaki won or Raila won. The General Election was The Anti-Kikuyu election. I attended a church in Siaya in Dec 07 and during announcements a pastor urged people to ensure they were in the register to ensure that this Kikuyu goes home. On the 1st day of announcing results, when Raila was leading, Kikuyus were being told to leave RV. In Nairobi, goons were taking over properties belonging to Kikuyus. During the negotiations, Kifaki and his brigade from Anaan and you darling Magunia have clearly told us that the PNU side were very reluctant to get a solution as the violence raged, this until Anaan told Kifaki that over 1000 people were dead.......now you know who would have stopped the violence in the very 1st place!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Saying that a presidential candidate has the power to stop a mini war, is accepting that a president is powerless or rudderless. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/17/2010 Posts: 1,163 Location: Sudan
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Lolest! wrote:McReggae wrote:Kifaki f@#$ed up in constituting the ECK, he did worse than Moi who accented to the 1997 IPPG agreement....this was the actual cause of the violence, Kifaki stuffed his men in ECK to steal the elections!!!! For the sake of argument, I will assume Kibaki rigged himself in. However, this doesnt change the FACT that there was to be chaos whether Kibaki won or Raila won. The General Election was The Anti-Kikuyu election. I attended a church in Siaya in Dec 07 and during announcements a pastor urged people to ensure they were in the register to ensure that this Kikuyu goes home. On the 1st day of announcing results, when Raila was leading, Kikuyus were being told to leave RV. In Nairobi, goons were taking over properties belonging to Kikuyus. Wazua spirit. Please these arguments and counters are taking us nowhere. Shit happened in 2007, I would not wish that happens again, even to my worst enemy. So cool down guys. Mistakes were done, i'd say by both sides. From composition of KivuECK, to the propaganda by Kikuyu elites that Kiuks wangemalizwa had power left the house of Mumbi (I still consider this BS coz even in 2005 pple voted against the constitution, and nobody was killed coz of his ethnicity. The powerful elites wanted to retain power by whatever means). ODM had their own agenda, especially in the RV, which is subject to ICC and I dont wanna comment further. Our leaders could have done more, both sides, to stop the chaos. THEY DIDNT. Kifaki as Gova didnt. OAR and his brigade didnt. Do we want a repeat performance, I say NO. I happened to have been in Darfur from 2003-2010, when i later moved to Khartoum. I saw it all, villages scorched, men, women and children burning like logs. Please kenyans, let us cherish the peace. it starts with what u post in Wazua. "Peace is our profession, War is our business" ...Unknown
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 8/17/2012 Posts: 30
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Manyala wrote:Lolest! wrote:Manyala wrote:
Kivuitu should have stopped it by stating that both parties were involved in rigging; in view of this he should have declared he is unable to verify who the true winner was and washed his hands from it. If things were not going as expected, why state it the go ahead and the go ahead and declare one the winner. Or is it a question of who rigged less?
Pause to think what would have happened! Watu wangechinjana chinji chinji. Regardless of what happened, there was going to be chaos courtesy of the hate campaign which peaked btwn 2005-2007.
Please, please don't give this man, RAO, too much credit. What do you mean he is the only man who could have stopped the violence? Who powerful is this man, surely?
He was. No Raila No Peace goons would have listened to him if he had urged them to be peaceful. Wiper supporters were not engaging in rape, killings and arson, were they?
Question is did he do a good job and if he knew of the challenges he should have quit; period. It is called integrity. Again let me say this, you make RAO soo powerful, that what ever he wishes for goes. so if he say, 'No Raila No Peace'; it goes. No authority to challenge that and ensure peace prevails. Spare me. @Manyala have you stopped and thought at what point he would have quit? What would have followed after?? Believe you me, he'd have gone with his integrity intact but what would have followed would have made Rwanda genocide look like child play!!! I still believe that he did the best under the prevailing circumstances. That aside, why are we having so much negative energy even on Wazua where i believe most of us are well educated? Why do we still articulate our ideas like our folks back in shagz? Does this mean that we're forever doomed as a country? It is said that the middle class are the heart of any economy and if this is true i fear for this country. We're middle class in terms of having nice jobs, driving flashy cars and servicing mortgages but upstairs we're still stuck in Lower-lower class!! Am a Kiuk and will not vote for Uhuru for the simple reason he has done nothing for his people that he represents in Gatundu. I'll not vote for Raila for the same reason not because he's Luo. I'd vote for Tuju, Peter Kenneth any day for their development record during their tenure as the MPs for Rarienda and Gatanga respectively. I'd vote for Martha Karua any day for what she stands for. Its a high time we moved away from tribal based politics to Issue based politics. Unfortunately, politics is a game of numbers and these three presidential candidates have no numbers. How i pray for my beloved country.
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