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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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jaggernaut wrote:pleasecallme wrote:Between Toyota Corolla NZE and Nissan Sylphy G11 (2006/7+), which one is better in terms of handling, engine performance and reliability?
Forget about comfort, style or design. Asanteni!
In my previous motoring life I have owned a toyota (AE100) and also a Nissan (B14) and the Toyota was more superior in terms of performance (EFI engine), handling, reliability, comfort (independent suspension) and also the design. I believe it must be the same for newer models. The toyota was also more expensive to buy. I should have added that on the hand I had to change the Toyota's waterpump and timing belt. Also at one time the toyota's sidemirror and corner light were ripped off in town centre and had to replaced. The worst came when the corolla was stolen from a parking lot in town but luckily it was recovered by police after 3 days having been abandoned in some isolated side road in lavington. The thugs had forced open the doorlocks and ignition which I had to replace, also the window electric motor not to mention repainting the bumper since it had a few dents. For the Nissan it was happy motoring. The only thing I changed was the rear brake light bulb. And it seems the thugs were never interested in the car, or its sidemirrors. For both cars I had to change the shocks however the nissan's rear shocks were different (oil shocks) and never needed changing. Looking back, I'd say I spent more money maintaining the corolla due to the said mechanical and crime issues. And as someone has observed above once you own a corolla, despite it being a good car, you feel like you want to move on and get a different model for a change. Thus my present car isn't a corolla, though its still a toyota.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Benzino wrote:Sigiriri wrote:Too many myths on this thread - if someone knows one Sylphy that has issues, it doesn't mean all the Nissans have issues. I know of a taxi company that has close to 100 NZE's - and their workshop is ever busy. All sorts of problems - including gear box, sensors etc. But that doesn't make an NZE a bad car.
We need to move from castigating brands coz of a few bad examples. I bought a car 4 years ago - I had the options of: NZE, Fielder, Mitsubishi Cedia - at the last minute I came across an Opel Astra on offer by IBC. I can guarantee you that every single person I spoke to discouraged me from buying the Opel. I went ahead and bought it after doing my own research. It cost me 200K less than the Fielder & NZE. It costs me the same exact amount per service and consumes the same as the 1.8 premio (which is now at 1.2M), fielder and even the wish. As far as I am concerned, pundits can scream from the rooftops - but I made a good decision.
I advise that you do your research - listen to opinions first then do your research against those opinions. Ultimately, buy what will make you happy and what will make you feel that your money was well spent. @Sigiri - Well Put sir. As I said in my post, this argument is usually determined by who shouts the loudest e.g. Honda has been having Vvti Technology in their cars since 1992. Toyota joined the fray somewhere in year 2000,and boy oh boy,haven't they harped about it.. In the meantime,its good to see there are more people out there who think outside the box and steer away from the noise. I think the problem is that when people are buying cars it's never purely a financial decision i.e the best option in terms of cost and benefit. Neither do people just look at the technology since nearly all car makers nowadays have nearly similar technology VVti, FSi, GDi, D4, Mivec, Divec, CDi etc. Other factors, social, peer, emotional, perception issues come into play. It's more like fashion, wanting to belong. It's nothing to do with financial logic. That is why the more expensive toyotas are so popular in Kenya. Who thought a premio would be more expensive than a subaru? The japanese must be perplexed by the peculiar Kenyan habits.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Looking at the new car prices CRSP list as given by KRA, one notices something interesting. All the following cars are valued at 2.4m: Toyota Corolla, Premio, Allion, Fielder. Also Mitsubishi lancer, VW Golf GTi.
Subaru impreza and Mazda axela are valued at 3m and 3.4m respectively. Sunny/Sylphy at 2m, Golf (not gti) 1.9m, Prombox 1.8m.
So why the huge discrepancy in the used car prices for the above vehicles. The used japanese premio is going for 1.2m, corolla/fielder 900k, lancer 700k, subaru impreza 800k, nissan sylphy 650k, golf 1m, prombox 600k.
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Rank: Hello Joined: 9/3/2012 Posts: 5
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Benzino wrote:Sigiriri wrote:Too many myths on this thread - if someone knows one Sylphy that has issues, it doesn't mean all the Nissans have issues. I know of a taxi company that has close to 100 NZE's - and their workshop is ever busy. All sorts of problems - including gear box, sensors etc. But that doesn't make an NZE a bad car.
We need to move from castigating brands coz of a few bad examples. I bought a car 4 years ago - I had the options of: NZE, Fielder, Mitsubishi Cedia - at the last minute I came across an Opel Astra on offer by IBC. I can guarantee you that every single person I spoke to discouraged me from buying the Opel. I went ahead and bought it after doing my own research. It cost me 200K less than the Fielder & NZE. It costs me the same exact amount per service and consumes the same as the 1.8 premio (which is now at 1.2M), fielder and even the wish. As far as I am concerned, pundits can scream from the rooftops - but I made a good decision.
I advise that you do your research - listen to opinions first then do your research against those opinions. Ultimately, buy what will make you happy and what will make you feel that your money was well spent. @Sigiri - Well Put sir. As I said in my post, this argument is usually determined by who shouts the loudest e.g. Honda has been having Vvti Technology in their cars since 1992. Toyota joined the fray somewhere in year 2000,and boy oh boy,haven't they harped about it.. In the meantime,its good to see there are more people out there who think outside the box and steer away from the noise. Yes loud the Toyota people shout but let me put it here that even with vvti 1500cc nze still consumes more fuel than my Nissan Sunny B15 manual transmission. I have had it for 3 yrs now, and I think am stuck with Nissan. The next car should be X-trail or Navara.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/17/2008 Posts: 42
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jaggernaut wrote:Looking at the new car prices CRSP list as given by KRA, one notices something interesting. All the following cars are valued at 2.4m: Toyota Corolla, Premio, Allion, Fielder. Also Mitsubishi lancer, VW Golf GTi.
Subaru impreza and Mazda axela are valued at 3m and 3.4m respectively. Sunny/Sylphy at 2m, Golf (not gti) 1.9m, Prombox 1.8m.
So why the huge discrepancy in the used car prices for the above vehicles. The used japanese premio is going for 1.2m, corolla/fielder 900k, lancer 700k, subaru impreza 800k, nissan sylphy 650k, golf 1m, prombox 600k. @Jaggernaut - The prices on the CRSP list are usually provided by the local dealers of the models. So, if the local dealer quotes a very high showroom price [Toyota Kenya and Subaru Kenya are culprits here], the consumers are screwed.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2006 Posts: 422 Location: Nairobi
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Some help needed here, how does one calculate total Taxes due to KRA on Toyota Wish Year 2005 June CIF USD 7,000 FOB USD 6,050. Please assist.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/17/2008 Posts: 42
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Layman wrote:Some help needed here, how does one calculate total Taxes due to KRA on Toyota Wish Year 2005 June CIF USD 7,000 FOB USD 6,050. Please assist. @ Layman The taxes are as follows: FOR THE 1800 CCCurrent Retail Selling Price 2,327,600 Depreciation 70% Extra Depreciation 0% Customs value 321,048 Import Duty 25% 80,262 Excise Value 401,310 Excise Duty 20% 80,262 VAT Value 481,572 VAT 16% 77,052 Total Taxes 237,576 Motor Vehicle Registration 12,000 IDF Fees 7,224 Grand Total 256,799 FOR THE 2000CCCurrent Retail Selling Price 2,847,800 Depreciation 70% Extra Depreciation 0% Customs value 392,800 Import Duty 25% 98,200 Excise Value 491,000 Excise Duty 20% 98,200 VAT Value 589,200 VAT 16% 94,272 Total Taxes 290,672 Motor Vehicle Registration 12,000 IDF Fees 8,838 Grand Total 311,510 I hope this helps.....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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Layman wrote:Some help needed here, how does one calculate total Taxes due to KRA on Toyota Wish Year 2005 June CIF USD 7,000 FOB USD 6,050. Please assist. http://dutycalc.co.ke/
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/14/2011 Posts: 171
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Sigiriri wrote:Too many myths on this thread - if someone knows one Sylphy that has issues, it doesn't mean all the Nissans have issues. I know of a taxi company that has close to 100 NZE's - and their workshop is ever busy. All sorts of problems - including gear box, sensors etc. But that doesn't make an NZE a bad car.
We need to move from castigating brands coz of a few bad examples. I bought a car 4 years ago - I had the options of: NZE, Fielder, Mitsubishi Cedia - at the last minute I came across an Opel Astra on offer by IBC. I can guarantee you that every single person I spoke to discouraged me from buying the Opel. I went ahead and bought it after doing my own research. It cost me 200K less than the Fielder & NZE. It costs me the same exact amount per service and consumes the same as the 1.8 premio (which is now at 1.2M), fielder and even the wish. As far as I am concerned, pundits can scream from the rooftops - but I made a good decision.
I advise that you do your research - listen to opinions first then do your research against those opinions. Ultimately, buy what will make you happy and what will make you feel that your money was well spent. great.. You kill bird...bird dead snake come.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/13/2008 Posts: 87
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I dont know much about cars but I have used a nissan b15 for the last almost 3yrs and no issues so far.I have just done the kawaida service
So TOYOTA is just overrated for nothing
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