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KenolKobil posts Sh3.89b half year loss
mlennyma
#31 Posted : Sunday, September 09, 2012 2:02:03 PM
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We share the news with equal pain,same way we will rejoice with equal joy when we reach canaan.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
VituVingiSana
#32 Posted : Sunday, September 09, 2012 2:04:51 PM
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KK has a case pending vs KPC. Too bad it has been delayed in the courts. A win would mitigate the loss occasioned by the forex losses!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mlennyma
#33 Posted : Sunday, September 09, 2012 2:05:48 PM
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Meanwhile iam under blood pressure drugs.
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mlennyma
#34 Posted : Sunday, September 09, 2012 2:08:05 PM
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And losing the kpc case would bleed its a*s to death.
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gatoho
#35 Posted : Sunday, September 09, 2012 2:14:58 PM
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mkeiyd wrote:
If the KK's bad H1 results came about due to hedging and falling international crude prices in the beginning of the year, meaning KK was selling otherwise expensive stock, would it not follow that, the H2, will see significant jump in profitability since the two factors above won't be in the play?



You hedge for a given period me thinks, so they might still be getting their dollar at a premium..
Foresight..
minto
#36 Posted : Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:06:22 PM
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Most fx hedges that I have seen are for periods of 1, 3,6 or 12 months.

Segman entered into this contracts around August of last year with cash settlements due this half year period.

As a cash flow tool fx hedges have significant upside or downside risk. As a business which makes all payments in USD it is imperative that you have a good understanding of these risks. Their loss shows that they hedged more than 60% of their oil cost requirements.

My 2 cents is that FY 2012 will be a loss.
youcan'tstopusnow
#37 Posted : Sunday, September 09, 2012 6:16:57 PM
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KK said that the most significant impact was the losses from hedges taken ''in the latter part of 2011 and the first 2 months of 2012"
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
VituVingiSana
#38 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 12:06:42 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
And losing the kpc case would bleed its a*s to death.
No, coz not booked as a profit anywhere.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mzalendomoja
#39 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 10:56:36 AM
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before things sober up KK will be in the range of 12-13.My haunch tells me that Puma would want to pounce and close the deal in the next 60 days or so.I still believe KK is a good buy.
samsa
#40 Posted : Monday, September 10, 2012 11:35:01 AM
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As part of defence mechanisms, management will always cite international economy, prevailing market conditions, etc for their inefficiencies. Clearly we should not analyse their perfomance by what they say. Capture this;


Cost of sales to Sales ratio 98% (2011) 93% (COS went up in 2012. Why?)
Gross profit to Income ratio 2% (2011) 7%
Growth in sales 25% (2011) 35% (with all the supa sundays campaigns?)
Efficiency ratio b4 exch losses 102% (2011)23% - using gross profit as net income. (Costs?)
Exchange losses to sales 4% (2011) 1%

So, my conclusion is that so many things went wrong in the half year not just hedging. Mr. Jacob Segman, please explain in more clear details that you are not the one running KK down because you already has an offer from PUMA when the buying price is heavily and mercilessly discounted?
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