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NIC 1:4 rights issue - sh21 per share
StatMeister
#41 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:59:37 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
Rights at a premium of KES 15. Share going at KES 35 #Noted


15 + 21 = 36. As long as the new shares can sell at 37+. Sounds risky
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#42 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 11:03:14 AM
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This is now irrational investing; surely what is the driving factor. We are headed for massive over-subscription. over 150% coz of the price if you put the results of DTB rights issue into perspective.
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#43 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 12:59:50 PM
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King G wrote:
This is now irrational investing; surely what is the driving factor. We are headed for massive over-subscription. over 150% coz of the price if you put the results of DTB rights issue into perspective.

the subscribtion rate may not be as high as DTB, the anchor investors are lower than DTB BUT, the incentive is the price, its really appealing, totally appealing.
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#44 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:01:47 PM
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StatMeister wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
Rights at a premium of KES 15. Share going at KES 35 #Noted


15 + 21 = 36. As long as the new shares can sell at 37+. Sounds risky

totally risky, but maybe it may top 4o, with the met predicting an above normal rainfall, you never know, 2013 maybe a bumper year aferall
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#45 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:29:11 PM
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kyt wrote:
King G wrote:
This is now irrational investing; surely what is the driving factor. We are headed for massive over-subscription. over 150% coz of the price if you put the results of DTB rights issue into perspective.

the subscribtion rate may not be as high as DTB, the anchor investors are lower than DTB BUT, the incentive is the price, its really appealing, totally appealing.


But i believe the Ndegwa's have enough quid to prevent an undersubscription. This bank has been their pet in the banking sector investment and they want to prove their late dad never took them to school for nothing.
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Aguytrying
#46 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:01:40 PM
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the premium is too high!
what about dilution??
are rights retradable? ie buy rights the sell them again if yes. one would have madew >100% gain on this one.
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#47 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:05:53 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
the premium is too high!
what about dilution??
are rights retradable? ie buy rights the sell them again if yes. one would have madew >100% gain on this one.

that is what i think is happening, yes of course rights should be trad-able, why not?
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#48 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 2:12:47 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
the premium is too high!
what about dilution??
are rights retradable? ie buy rights the sell them again if yes. one would have madew >100% gain on this one.


Rights are not tradeable. Wants you buy off the market you can only sell wants the rights have been credited and all of them start trading...

The premium is not too high! it was the rights price that was too low!
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Aguytrying
#49 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 7:45:36 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
the premium is too high!
what about dilution??
are rights retradable? ie buy rights the sell them again if yes. one would have madew >100% gain on this one.


Rights are not tradeable. Wants you buy off the market you can only sell wants the rights have been credited and all of them start trading...

The premium is not too high! it was the rights price that was too low!


i like the way you are always in the know.

the bonus is a factor in the valuation of the rights.
at 15+21= 36. unless the nse takes of as a whole NIC was trading at around 35. so what gain is there to be had by buying rights, the share may struggle to get past 40 (unless nse takes off)

I they want the share that bad buy in the market for less than the rights+premium. at 34. Which can even be sold sooner incase things change
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#50 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 4:05:44 PM
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how fast is an eft? from one bank to another.
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Aguytrying
#51 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 8:34:40 PM
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kyt wrote:
how fast is an eft? from one bank to another.


Its cleared the next day.
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#52 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 9:47:18 PM
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thanks a guy, that will be really interesting, i plan to buy nic rights b4 friday from the dtb refund. tough call i tell you!!
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mwekez@ji
#53 Posted : Saturday, September 08, 2012 11:07:42 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
kyt wrote:
how fast is an eft? from one bank to another.


Its cleared the next day.


@Aguy, your bank must be giving you a concession clearing cycle of T+1. EFT we (without concession) get T+2 but TT we get same day
kyt
#54 Posted : Saturday, September 08, 2012 11:59:54 AM
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thanks for the info mwekezaji
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#55 Posted : Saturday, September 08, 2012 1:29:21 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
kyt wrote:
how fast is an eft? from one bank to another.


Its cleared the next day.


@Aguy, your bank must be giving you a concession clearing cycle of T+1. EFT we (without concession) get T+2 but TT we get same day
EFT takes T+2/3 while RTGS is T+0/1 ... all depends on the bank.
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#56 Posted : Saturday, September 08, 2012 1:50:02 PM
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What is the difference between RTGS and EFT?
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mwekez@ji
#57 Posted : Sunday, September 09, 2012 8:23:58 PM
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t-godd wrote:
What is the difference between RTGS and EFT?


RTGS is Real Time Gross Settlement. Money is transmitted via CBK/SWIFT and settlement occurs on a real time/same day. My bank charges KES 500 for this service.

EFT is Electronic Funds Transfer. Money is transmitted via clearing house and settlement occurs in 2 days. My bank charges KES 300 for this service.
mwekez@ji
#58 Posted : Sunday, September 09, 2012 8:29:25 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
t-godd wrote:
What is the difference between RTGS and EFT?


RTGS is Real Time Gross Settlement. Money is transmitted via CBK/SWIFT and settlement occurs on a real time/same day. My bank charges KES 500 for this service.

EFT is Electronic Funds Transfer. Money is transmitted via clearing house and settlement occurs in 2 days. My bank charges KES 300 for this service.


Another thing, for fund over KES 1M, they cannot be handled via EFT or cheques so they must be transmitted via RTGS.
t-godd
#59 Posted : Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:49:45 PM
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@mwekez@ji, I appreciate the response. Thanks.
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#60 Posted : Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:34:51 PM
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NIC Bank’s rights issue has been oversubscribed by 238 per cent, managing to attract Sh7 billion in offers against the Sh2 billion it had sought.
http://www.businessdaily.../-/qpl8c4z/-/index.html

Good news I wish they had supplied more shares
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