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KENOL KOBIL .... 2012
Aguytrying
#1801 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 7:47:29 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Jamani wrote:
@Mlennyma Walishatiwa baridii by signing a petition in support of the sale.
IMHO, any employee who is opposed to the sale at a fair price should be fired. They work there, get a salary and should be thankful to the shareholders who provide the means/capital to finance the business.
When Uchumi collapsed, was it shareholders who pumped in majority of cash to revive it or was it the employees?
When the price of Safaricom fell to 3.50, did the employees take a paycut of 30%?
When KQ is falling, did the employees take a paycut to prop up the airline? NO, instead the management took bonuses, the staff got huge payrises & benefits via atwoli and the shareholders suffered.


exactly, if only they could get this through their heads
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
VituVingiSana
#1802 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 9:10:04 PM
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@Aguytrying - If they don't want to work at KK, then quit. There are thousands of firms in Kenya. Go find another job. Even better, start your own firm then pay your employees well. When you sell the firm, pay them a bonus. In the meantime, QUIT working for KK & go elsewhere!
Furthermore, they have earned a salary all these years. Not at a discount but at competitive rates!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#1803 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:39:11 PM
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Those KK assets (land & buildings) looking very juicy to me!

http://www.businessdaily.../-/4obncdz/-/index.html

So if Puma backs out. No problem. The cash is still somewhere...! I am sure selling off some stations to developers (or developing Real Estate by KK) might be better than running the stations as petrol stations!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Kausha
#1804 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:51:31 AM
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From what I am seeing here, we need to start teaching financial and organization education in primary school as a core subject. On one hand staff are scared shitless for their jobs without knowing that essentially the organization is not shutting or scaling down operations. On the other hand, the actions are becoming very disruptive to the interests of their shareholders and the nuisance value of these actions is nevertheless very discounted. However the ramifications of this could be very painful to staff again it appears they don't seem to appreciate that.
2012
#1805 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:26:55 AM
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Jamani wrote:
Agreed VVS, but looking at the statement by 2012, it was vital to remind him that there are CEOs directors and majority owners of businesses who also run down their businesses.


You misunderstood my statement. I meant me, myself, personally, I have never and will never invest in a company where the person/people in charge has/have no interest in. That's my principle in investing and it has always worked for me, I'm not trying to impose it on anyone. If I told you I'm starting a butchery and I want you and others but myself to fund it would you?

BBI will solve it
:)
Jamani
#1806 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:38:42 AM
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2012 wrote:
Jamani wrote:
Agreed VVS, but looking at the statement by 2012, it was vital to remind him that there are CEOs directors and majority owners of businesses who also run down their businesses.


You misunderstood my statement. I meant me, myself, personally, I have never and will never invest in a company where the person/people in charge has/have no interest in. That's my principle in investing and it has always worked for me, I'm not trying to impose it on anyone. If I told you I'm starting a butchery and I want you and others but myself to fund it would you?


Then I understood you correctly i never said you imposed, just meant to say that not all companies that have people in charge owning them are all run with the interests of minority shareholders at heart, and you may see as VVS listed some names above.
I am happy for you that it has worked out to your benefit, in my case the same investment strategy has had my fingers and toes burnt... AK

And i not saying its a poor strategy, i know it has worked elsewhere even for me... but you must look at the history of the owners or rather vet them before you invest your money
2012
#1807 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:02:13 AM
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Jamani wrote:
[quote=2012][quote=Jamani]
I am happy for you that it has worked out to your benefit, in my case the same investment strategy has had my fingers and toes burnt... AK


Pole bwana. I also invested in AK, I made good money and sold. This kind of stocks are a gamble though because it is so dependent on very erratic technology change and the wrong strategy no matter how well intended could sink you. That said I salute the Somen's for going against the board and investing in fibre, AK would be dead now if they hadn't.

BBI will solve it
:)
Jamani
#1808 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 11:10:21 AM
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2012 wrote:
Jamani wrote:
[quote=2012][quote=Jamani]
I am happy for you that it has worked out to your benefit, in my case the same investment strategy has had my fingers and toes burnt... AK


Pole bwana. I also invested in AK, I made good money and sold. This kind of stocks are a gamble though because it is so dependent on very erratic technology change and the wrong strategy no matter how well intended could sink you. That said I salute the Somen's for going against the board and investing in fibre, AK would be dead now if they hadn't.


Nime poa, with +1m under the bridge(considering all my investments in it as lost)... or rather am locked in
Jamani
#1809 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 12:08:17 PM
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Kausha wrote:
From what I am seeing here, we need to start teaching financial and organization education in primary school as a core subject. On one hand staff are scared shitless for their jobs without knowing that essentially the organization is not shutting or scaling down operations. On the other hand, the actions are becoming very disruptive to the interests of their shareholders and the nuisance value of these actions is nevertheless very discounted. However the ramifications of this could be very painful to staff again it appears they don't seem to appreciate that.


Staff could be scared that they will be outsourced.... like Airtel did to its staff, moving them to NSN and Spanco with pay cuts.. bila marupurupu....
They are acting in fear which is human and i empathize with them... but they may only achieve to waste time, everything will move as planned read the KQ case.
VituVingiSana
#1810 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 2:49:05 PM
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Jamani wrote:
2012 wrote:
Jamani wrote:
Agreed VVS, but looking at the statement by 2012, it was vital to remind him that there are CEOs directors and majority owners of businesses who also run down their businesses.

You misunderstood my statement. I meant me, myself, personally, I have never and will never invest in a company where the person/people in charge has/have no interest in. That's my principle in investing and it has always worked for me, I'm not trying to impose it on anyone. If I told you I'm starting a butchery and I want you and others but myself to fund it would you?

Then I understood you correctly i never said you imposed, just meant to say that not all companies that have people in charge owning them are all run with the interests of minority shareholders at heart, and you may see as VVS listed some names above.
I am happy for you that it has worked out to your benefit, in my case the same investment strategy has had my fingers and toes burnt... AK

And i not saying its a poor strategy, i know it has worked elsewhere even for me... but you must look at the history of the owners or rather vet them before you invest your money

Those are critical points. See merali. Or even kirubi. Look at the history. Then walk away. Now compare these to Aga Khan firms where AKFED's representatives (not as management but as independent directors) are managing the firms for their spiritual leader & community. Compare the growth of DTBK, Jubilee, TPSEA & Nation. They have managed through good & bad times. Jubilee is #1 insurer, Nation is #1 newspaper, TPSEA is probably #1 or #2 in EAC. DTBK is a top Tier 2 bank & with the best geographical spread in KE, TZ, UG & BU.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mlennyma
#1811 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 7:43:39 AM
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Another friday dies.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#1812 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 8:03:37 AM
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And salvation draws nigh!
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youcan'tstopusnow
#1813 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 12:27:47 PM
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The case will be heard on 13th, then we await the ruling...
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
BGL
#1814 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 6:31:43 PM
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Half year results are out. 3.8bn net loss compared to 2.2bn net profit in 2011.
No interim dividend


COMMENTARY
The Group’s performance for the first six months of 2012 were affected by the depressed Global economic environment, falling International Oil prices and turbulent local conditions with high inflationary pressure, high borrowing costs and Foreign Exchange rate fluctuations seen across Kenya and all the Regional markets. The most significant impact was the losses from Foreign Exchange Hedges taken in the latter part of 2011 and the first two months of 2012.
The sharp falling International Oil prices since end of 2011, exacerbated by the accelerated downward price adjustments by regulators in the various countries wherein we operate had put the gross margins under pressure during the period under review, particularly in the First Quarter when high stock levels carrying high costs were being disposed of.
Sales volumes increased by 17%, with strong contribution from the Subsidiaries.
The Exports market and Subsidiaries had been faced with stiff competition from smaller Industry players undercutting prices.
Administration and operating overheads increased by 33%, mainly due to the high inflation across the region, increased operating expenses with the Tanzanian Terminal now fully operational, and increase in unrecoverable VAT.
The most significant impact on performance has been from Foreign Exchange losses of Ksh 4.2 billion during the period. This was due to the realized losses from the Foreign Exchange hedge positions taken during the latter part of 2011, of which Ksh 2.4 billion was provided for in the 2011 Balance sheet reserves, losses from 2012 Hedges as well as Net unrealized/realized losses.
The Exchange rates remain our biggest exposure and a key area of concern and focus. The Board reviewed its Hedging policies continuously during the period, closely monitoring performance, seeking the best policy to follow which will give better, manageable and flexible systems to Management Team.
Financing costs is a material cost item which increased by 253% during the period 2012 compared to the same period in 2011 due to, extremely high levels of bank interest rates and high levels of borrowings.
Borrowings increased by 40% as at the end of June 2012 compared to June 2011. This has been driven by increased working capital requirements, servicing of the realized loss from the Foreign Exchange Hedges and completion of Capital expenditure in the Region. Stock levels have been managed to lower levels. Account receivables include high volume sales invoiced in Commercial and Trading business segments within normal terms.
The change in Shareholders equity during the period decreased by Ksh 3.1 billion, with the major movements attributable to operational losses (Ksh 925 million) characterized mainly by negative margins and the inflationary environment; and net Foreign Exchange losses of Ksh 1.6 billion. Shareholders equity was also reduced with the payment of the final 2011 dividends of Ksh 633 million.
Following these debilitating challenges and adversities in the operating environment, the net result for the Group for the period under review, is a loss of Ksh 3.9 billion.
Excluding the Exchange losses, the EBITDA would have been Ksh 50 million profit and the net loss after Tax, Ksh 925 million.
Management continues to focus on reducing cost of Financing with substantial measures being undertaken to reduce cash and borrowings requirements with tighter Inventory Management and Business Process re-engineering to improve effectiveness and efficiencies in organizational structure and operations processes to reduce costs. Capital expenditure has also been postponed till cash flow improvements are generated.
Going forward, the Group is optimistic despite the tough economic cycle and with the ongoing potential deal between key Shareholders and Puma Energy, a strategic investor, Management foresees substantial benefits crystallizing upon closing of this deal, mainly in the area of inventories management, Forex Exchange Risk, cost of Financing and better sources of products for the whole Group.
DIVIDEND
The Directors do not recommend the payment of an interim dividend.
By Order of the Board
Jacob I Segman
Group Managing Director
07th September 2012
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#1815 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 6:40:06 PM
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The losses had been telegraphed,a bit steep than i had expected.
murchr
#1816 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 6:51:16 PM
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Phewks, its good i jumped out of this ship at 16/- with this news am sure it will hit 12/- or 10/- if the market is harsh on it
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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kaifastus
#1817 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 7:11:28 PM
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Its clever anouncing the result on a friday..by monday emotions would have tapered off!
youcan'tstopusnow
#1818 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 7:17:18 PM
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Those hedges really murdered KK! I would be surprised if they turn this into a FY profit
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
FUNKY
#1819 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 7:26:30 PM
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The management is still optimistic about the deal with Puma Energy so i doubt if the the price will crash to 10-12/- levels.
hisah
#1820 Posted : Friday, September 07, 2012 7:37:43 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Those hedges really murdered KK! I would be surprised if they turn this into a FY profit


The pesky hedges. Fx is a serious casino haven - the volatility! I wonder if at some point firms will be forced to hire Fx experts at their finance departments. Awaiting to see Kengen taking a huge haircut on their foreign loan which they were to convert from yen to USD only for USD to run amok in 2011...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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