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hamburglar wrote:This God guy, why does he have to make everything so complicated? he is supposed to be omni everything, right? omniscient, omnipresent etc...That means that with the snap of a finger, he can end all the suffering and doubt and wars, and famine and diseases in an instant...
Why doesn't he just do that so that we can all just have a good life on this earth? What's his deal? Does he enjoy seeing kids starving death in Africa every 5 minutes when he has the capability of stopping the hurt? Does he enjoy seeing people suffer untold pain from diseases like cancer and AIDS and yet he can give us a cure in 5 seconds if he realy exists? What's the purpose of worhipping him and praying? Why do we have to pray if he can already just give us what we need?
Do we have to ask him for stuff? If he knows that somebody is broke and needs a meal, does he have to wait for that person to pray and beg for a meal? Why doesn't he just end the suffering? Why doesn't he just get rid of sin so that we can all live a perfect life on earth...There is too much suffering in this earth and yet your god is only interested in being worshipped and thanked everyday....Does he have low self esteem? What exactly are we thanking him for? The world is f***ed up, and yet we are busy getting on our knees to thank him? For what? Kids are dying but this god guy is only interested in sending people who did not kiss his ass to hell? And yet he clams to love all his "children"...
You guys complicate issues with your bible verses, some of you don't even know why you are religious, you just do it out of fear of going to this mythical hell and in the hopes that you will get a pass into heaven...Thsi faith is not even real, it's a quid pro quo arrangement where you theists are in it just so you can be rewarded later.....Why? If you are going to be a good person, do it because it's the right thing to do, not because you are hoping to get an invitation into heaven...
I have a clean conscience, I help my fellow man because it's what I would liek for him to do for me if i ever needed help, I am not going to do anything to please someone so that I can be rewarded later...There is no integrity in that, it's a sleazy way of living your life....This god guy must have some serious issues...If he can just sit back up there or wherever he is and watch infants and toddlers starve to death, then I don't want to be associated with him in any way, shape or form...That is not the kind of person I would want around me....
If I were thsi god guy, that supposedly has the power to solve everything, I would end the suffering on DAY 1. Everybody would be free of any suffering in this world and everybody would have a happy life...Why NOT? What is he waiting for? Does he enjoy when people kiss his ass everyday in the name of worship and prayers and all the other nonsense? Does he enjoy all that ass kissing that he fears that if he ends the suffering in the world, nobody would kiss his ass anymore? is he a glutton for ass-kissing? What the f*** man?
We can sit here and quote bible verses, shit, we've been doing it for years and years, but what good has that done other than theists trying to out-do each other on how much they know the bible? Theists will quote verses and debate about this and that, but the fact is, children are still dying everyday, so put doen that stupid bible that tells you to kill people who work on sabbath and to kill women who are not virgins on their wedding day, and start using your brains you dolts....There is like thousands denominations and religions on this earth, you people are too dumb to understand that you are Christian or Muslim because of where you were born....Your parents indictronized you, if you were born in Saudi Arabia, you wold have been Muslim....All children are born atheists,it's what their parents posions their mind with that they become....The primitive tribe (pariha) that lives in the amazon are atheists because they don't have any civilization and nobody has planted any religious BS in their heads....Will they going to hell because they did not worship your god? Get real..
This god of yours doesn't exist and if he does, then tell him that humanity needs him RIGHT NOW...we are tired of reading his silly book and trying to figure shit out...Eveidently, we can't solve our problems on earth, so if he can snap his fingers and help us end the madness and suffering on this earth, then he needs to do that or he is the biggest douchebag around....What a loving god? you have to be kidding me. At getting saved, saved from what???????
If you want me to believe in your god and that he answers prayers, I would like for all your theists today to pray for a cure for cancer..tell your god that people are suffering and he needs to stop being a dick and give us the cure....if he does that and we have a cure tomorrow,then am getting "saved" or whatever you guys call that nonsense....But if he doesn't, then maybe he just doesn't care too much about your prayers or he simply DOES NOT EXIST....
Now I know that I will surely be banned from this sitre so this might as well be my parting shot....It's been real wazua....Peace. @ hamburglar I will try answer ua concerns: This God guy, why does he have to make everything so complicated? he is supposed to be omni everything, right? omniscient, omnipresent etc...That means that with the snap of a finger, he can end all the suffering and doubt and wars, and famine and diseases in an instant... ] Not really. Fact is, God is all powerful & sovereign and not subject to any authority but to His own authority. Now His own authority is His own word. No wonder it is written in Math. 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.It is His word that mysteriously maintains his validity as God.
So, Yes with a snap of a finger, He can stop all these mess, BUT, Pls listen now:
God can never violate his word. Deut. 28:13 – Is very clear about God’s conditions for engaging Human being. In summary, Sin (disobedience to God) attracts the sufferings u mention above. And so God is merciful yes, but he also has to maintain the integrity of His word abt Sin. Why doesn't he just do that so that we can all just have a good life on this earth? What's his deal? Does he enjoy seeing kids starving death in Africa every 5 minutes when he has the capability of stopping the hurt? Does he enjoy seeing people suffer untold pain from diseases like cancer and AIDS and yet he can give us a cure in 5 seconds if he realy exists? What's the purpose of worhipping him and praying? Why do we have to pray if he can already just give us what we need? Good life on earth: - this was God’s original idea, & He doesn’t even need our reminder. Problem occurred after Adam fell. This is the point in which the Human race lost the “Good life”. Much as it will once more be real. But we cant tell when. (Math 24:36).
Kids suffering. – Not His will. He is not happy about it,. But for the sake of His word, it has to be.
What's the purpose of worhipping him and praying? Why do we have to pray if he can already just give us what we need?
There is need of worshipping & prayng. I want to state here that these two elements mean making a connection with God & involves even our lifestyles. Sio kwenda Kanisa pekee yake.This is why we need to connect with God.- We have seen that God will do anything to protect His word. Math. 24:35. Now looking at His word in Genesis2:7 - the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
So look at whose breath Man became living. God’s. So how can we disconnect from Him? No wonder we become pathetic the moment we disconnect from Him.
Examples :
Gen: 3:8 - Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. But the LORD God called to the man, “Where are you?”
He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.” Note: That It was not that God did not know the physical location of adam, but rather the spiritual disconnection had taken place.Math 27:45 My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
This illustrates to you the very 1st point about God & His word. Even jesus could not be spared, coz at this moment He was carrying the sins of the whole world- yet God & Sin are not comapatible. Why cant He hust give us what we need? Do we have to ask him for stuff? If he knows that somebody is broke and needs a meal, does he have to wait for that person to pray and beg for a meal? Why doesn't he just end the suffering? He can but there is a “rule”, i.e.
1. God is a Spirit
2. Without faith, you cannot please Him
3. Gen 1: 26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, b and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
In this regard, the authority on earth was Given to man. But if man needs anything or cannot make sense of any issue, then He has to refer God (his creator). And this is where worship & prayer comes in.Why doesn't he just get rid of sin so that we can all live a perfect life on earth...There is too much suffering in this earth and yet your god is only interested in being worshipped and thanked everyday....Does he have low self esteem? What exactly are we thanking him for? The world is f***ed up, and yet we are busy getting on our knees to thank him? For what? Kids are dying but this god guy is only interested in sending people who did not kiss his ass to hell? And yet he clams to love all his "children"... The sin thing was sorted ONCE & for all at calvary. NB: I am referring to the power of sin here.You guys complicate issues with your bible verses, some of you don't even know why you are religious, you just do it out of fear of going to this mythical hell and in the hopes that you will get a pass into heaven...Thsi faith is not even real, it's a quid pro quo arrangement where you theists are in it just so you can be rewarded later.....Why? If you are going to be a good person, do it because it's the right thing to do, not because you are hoping to get an invitation into heaven... Unfortunate if some of us don’t know why we are xtians. But I agree with u, xtianity is not abt going to heaven. John17:15 - My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.Eagles don't flock, you have to find them one at a time.
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