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KENOL KOBIL .... 2012
sparkly
#1781 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 2:11:26 PM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
hisah wrote:
Meanwhile some interesting price vs volume action...



Someone is buying on dips.

On friday, the counter traded 2,649,900 shares (the latest high bar).96.3% of those shares were foreing buys. Watching to see how big a position this foreigner is taking. If it goes to 5M shares, then 10M, then 15M ... then something very very big is in the offing!


Consolidation.. then .... taking off in a big way.
Life is short. Live passionately.
hisah
#1782 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 2:38:28 PM
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@sparkly - have you seen the foreign sales today? KPLC had the same behaviour last week...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mwekez@ji
#1783 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 2:56:26 PM
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@hisah, check the demand Vs supply now and notice demand is building while supply is dead. I like it more when price is moving up based on locals buying. Locals have their ear on the ground and will tend to have the info.
Jamani
#1784 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 8:22:59 PM
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An insider who spoke to the Nation but requested to remain anonymous said the company’s chief executive officer, Mr Jacob Segman, together with the general manager, Mr David Ohana, spent part of their time on Friday making employees sign a petition in support of the sale.
http://www.nation.co.ke/...82/-/yvij31/-/index.html
youcan'tstopusnow
#1785 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 9:26:36 PM
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Jamani wrote:
An insider who spoke to the Nation but requested to remain anonymous said the company’s chief executive officer, Mr Jacob Segman, together with the general manager, Mr David Ohana, spent part of their time on Friday making employees sign a petition in support of the sale.
http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/yvij31/-/index.html

Kwani Segman thought this would never come out?
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
Jamani
#1786 Posted : Monday, September 03, 2012 9:52:51 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
[quote=Jamani]An insider who spoke to the Nation but requested to remain anonymous said the company’s chief executive officer, Mr Jacob Segman, together with the general manager, Mr David Ohana, spent part of their time on Friday making employees sign a petition in support of the sale.
http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/yvij31/-/index.html[/quote]
Kwani Segman thought this would never come out?

He knew it will... its called divide and rule, or chapa ilale... now tell me whom among those that signed the petition in the office will stand up in court and say it was under duress?
VituVingiSana
#1787 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 12:05:03 AM
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[quote=Jamani]An insider who spoke to the Nation but requested to remain anonymous said the company’s chief executive officer, Mr Jacob Segman, together with the general manager, Mr David Ohana, spent part of their time on Friday making employees sign a petition in support of the sale.
http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/yvij31/-/index.html[/quote]

THIS is the type of CEO I want. One who wants the maximum for his shareholders. Not the type like naikuni who gives in to atwoli & the unions then gets a 24% raise, dilutes existing shareholders & finally screws over everyone else except the management fat cats!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
2012
#1788 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:36:17 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
THIS is the type of CEO I want. One who wants the maximum for his shareholders. Not the type like naikuni who gives in to atwoli & the unions then gets a 24% raise, dilutes existing shareholders & finally screws over everyone else except the management fat cats!



Does Naikuni even own a share in KQ?
According to yesterday's Business Daily, Titus earns a salo of more than kshs. 3m! With that kind of cash I too would listen to anyone who wants to be heard to keep my job...

BBI will solve it
:)
VituVingiSana
#1789 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 10:27:34 AM
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2012 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
THIS is the type of CEO I want. One who wants the maximum for his shareholders. Not the type like naikuni who gives in to atwoli & the unions then gets a 24% raise, dilutes existing shareholders & finally screws over everyone else except the management fat cats!

Does Naikuni even own a share in KQ?
According to yesterday's Business Daily, Titus earns a salo of more than kshs. 3m! With that kind of cash I too would listen to anyone who wants to be heard to keep my job...
No, not even one.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Jamani
#1790 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 10:34:54 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
2012 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
THIS is the type of CEO I want. One who wants the maximum for his shareholders. Not the type like naikuni who gives in to atwoli & the unions then gets a 24% raise, dilutes existing shareholders & finally screws over everyone else except the management fat cats!

Does Naikuni even own a share in KQ?
According to yesterday's Business Daily, Titus earns a salo of more than kshs. 3m! With that kind of cash I too would listen to anyone who wants to be heard to keep my job...
No, not even one.

Maybe by proxy
2012
#1791 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 10:42:52 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
2012 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
THIS is the type of CEO I want. One who wants the maximum for his shareholders. Not the type like naikuni who gives in to atwoli & the unions then gets a 24% raise, dilutes existing shareholders & finally screws over everyone else except the management fat cats!

Does Naikuni even own a share in KQ?
According to yesterday's Business Daily, Titus earns a salo of more than kshs. 3m! With that kind of cash I too would listen to anyone who wants to be heard to keep my job...
No, not even one.


I would never invest in a company the CEO has no faith in.

BBI will solve it
:)
King G
#1792 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 10:45:58 AM
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Unless the business is restructured differently, most CEO's start lacking ideas and employ survival tactics after 7 years and it because obvious/evident after 10 years. That is what is happening to Naikuni at the moment. He should be leaving KQ now to be Governor of Kajiado.

Thieves
Jamani
#1793 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 8:16:49 PM
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2012 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
2012 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
THIS is the type of CEO I want. One who wants the maximum for his shareholders. Not the type like naikuni who gives in to atwoli & the unions then gets a 24% raise, dilutes existing shareholders & finally screws over everyone else except the management fat cats!

Does Naikuni even own a share in KQ?
According to yesterday's Business Daily, Titus earns a salo of more than kshs. 3m! With that kind of cash I too would listen to anyone who wants to be heard to keep my job...
No, not even one.


I would never invest in a company the CEO has no faith in.


@2012 Say that again and look at Olympia, AK among others
VituVingiSana
#1794 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:18:40 PM
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Jamani wrote:
2012 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
2012 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
THIS is the type of CEO I want. One who wants the maximum for his shareholders. Not the type like naikuni who gives in to atwoli & the unions then gets a 24% raise, dilutes existing shareholders & finally screws over everyone else except the management fat cats!

Does Naikuni even own a share in KQ?
According to yesterday's Business Daily, Titus earns a salo of more than kshs. 3m! With that kind of cash I too would listen to anyone who wants to be heard to keep my job...
No, not even one.


I would never invest in a company the CEO has no faith in.


@2012 Say that again and look at Olympia, AK among others
There are always exceptions. I will counter your examples with ARM, Scangroup & the one that has created more wealth than what the combined 'losses' of Olympia, Access, Uchumi (under kirubi), Sameer/Firestone & Eveready... Equity Bank.

Please note we know matu, kirubi & merali had deals going on. They misused their positions to kill the firms.

Access ended up in a bad spot with the intense competition from Safaricom. Note others like Airtel & Orange have been hammered in data. Even KDN is in trouble. I was told that Zuku/Wananchi is also losing money.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Jamani
#1795 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 9:29:00 PM
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Agreed VVS, but looking at the statement by 2012, it was vital to remind him that there are CEOs directors and majority owners of businesses who also run down their businesses. As of AK their main issue was not competition but the controversial fibre optic installation decisions by 3 majority owners that lead to a walk out of other directors and "loss of money"
VituVingiSana
#1796 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 10:17:56 PM
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Jamani wrote:
Agreed VVS, but looking at the statement by 2012, it was vital to remind him that there are CEOs directors and majority owners of businesses who also run down their businesses. As of AK their main issue was not competition but the controversial fibre optic installation decisions by 3 majority owners that lead to a walk out of other directors and "loss of money"
I am not so sure of that anymore. Look at the other directors. One was Eddy Njoroge of KenGen whose performance has not been stellar. What was the IPO price? What is it today?

When I see the (slow) collapse of KDN, it seems that Access' fibre-optic expansion made sense. Of course, AK cannot expand to all cities/towns but there is NOFBI (run by Orange) for that.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Jamani
#1797 Posted : Tuesday, September 04, 2012 10:36:42 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Jamani wrote:
Agreed VVS, but looking at the statement by 2012, it was vital to remind him that there are CEOs directors and majority owners of businesses who also run down their businesses. As of AK their main issue was not competition but the controversial fibre optic installation decisions by 3 majority owners that lead to a walk out of other directors and "loss of money"
I am not so sure of that anymore. Look at the other directors. One was Eddy Njoroge of KenGen whose performance has not been stellar. What was the IPO price? What is it today?

When I see the (slow) collapse of KDN, it seems that Access' fibre-optic expansion made sense. Of course, AK cannot expand to all cities/towns but there is NOFBI (run by Orange) for that.


Mmmmmh maybe yeah, but the south africans at KDN.. you know their story about running business in Kenya.."a majority of them"... for AK the issue was not if FO made sense but the cost of it and behind the scenes selection payment and that kind of stuff without the knowledge of other directors. if i remember well decisions were made through emails between the 3, the others on board were just to rubber stamp them. Having said that I cant talk for Eddy in KG....
mlennyma
#1798 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 9:46:16 AM
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Hata hawa watafutwa come what may.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Jamani
#1799 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:03:28 AM
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@Mlennyma Walishatiwa baridii by signing a petition in support of the sale.
VituVingiSana
#1800 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:19:35 PM
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Jamani wrote:
@Mlennyma Walishatiwa baridii by signing a petition in support of the sale.
IMHO, any employee who is opposed to the sale at a fair price should be fired. They work there, get a salary and should be thankful to the shareholders who provide the means/capital to finance the business.
When Uchumi collapsed, was it shareholders who pumped in majority of cash to revive it or was it the employees?
When the price of Safaricom fell to 3.50, did the employees take a paycut of 30%?
When KQ is falling, did the employees take a paycut to prop up the airline? NO, instead the management took bonuses, the staff got huge payrises & benefits via atwoli and the shareholders suffered.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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