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KENOL KOBIL .... 2012
Kausha
#1741 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 11:12:00 AM
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KeKe's margin is distorted by the trading volumes. This includes bulk sales of the OTS kind. The beauty about most of these trades, the costs and prices are predetermined and you are more of a broker/trader than an operator. The margins are razor thin but the costs are minimal. You are talking 2-3 staff at the trading desk and the cost of enabling them do the trade. The financing and shipping costs are all pass through costs. Segman has explained this severally. This is unlike KQ, which must fly and maintain a high and variable operating cost base which it can't pass through efficiently.
chiaroscuro
#1742 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 11:34:25 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@chiarascuro - ERC pricing does not take into account the full effect of financing. That has been remarked upon by both Total & KK. I spoke to a smaller importer who said when interest rates jumped from 14% to 28%, the ERC stayed 'blind' to the jump. Since most of the product is financed since even firms like KK have to borrow since it is billions per shipment.


ERC does NOT control import prices.

Ther financing of imports is therefore absorbed during the monthly central tender system. Who ever wins the tender must have quoted a price that caters for his financing cost. If not, then he should be in that [or any other] business!

The ERC formula starts with the prices after import - ex-KPRL (for imported crude) and ex-KOSF (for imported refined).
VituVingiSana
#1743 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 12:31:58 PM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@chiarascuro - ERC pricing does not take into account the full effect of financing. That has been remarked upon by both Total & KK. I spoke to a smaller importer who said when interest rates jumped from 14% to 28%, the ERC stayed 'blind' to the jump. Since most of the product is financed since even firms like KK have to borrow since it is billions per shipment.


ERC does NOT control import prices.

Ther financing of imports is therefore absorbed during the monthly central tender system. Who ever wins the tender must have quoted a price that caters for his financing cost. If not, then he should be in that [or any other] business!

The ERC formula starts with the prices after import - ex-KPRL (for imported crude) and ex-KOSF (for imported refined).
The financing costs I was referring to were AFTER the payment to the importer has been made, the stocks released and time to market. Despite what KPC says, there are (often) constraints which means product is shipped by road. Furthermore, not all stocks can be sold immediately.

Assume it takes 15 days between arrival (payment) of fuel/crude at the port to the retail selling point. At 24% interest rates = 1% for the 15 days = 1/- per litre.

The importer has to be paid within a set timeframe after the product is available. It is not expected to 'store' product for other OMCs without being paid for the fuel.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mlennyma
#1744 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:38:17 PM
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:@:@:@:@:@:@:@
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Josey
#1745 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:38:06 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#1746 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:48:23 PM
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There'll be time enough for counting when the deal is done......
Sept here we come!
@SufficientlyP
King G
#1747 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:38:55 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
There'll be time enough for counting when the deal is done......
Sept here we come!


the silence is too laud Sad
Thieves
sorovi
#1748 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:13:10 PM
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guru267
#1749 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:35:07 PM
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More jitters!!

Anyone for sub 14 bob??
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
PKoli
#1750 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:01:21 PM
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guru267 wrote:
More jitters!!

Anyone for sub 14 bob??


We will be there tomorrow.
maka
#1751 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:27:20 PM
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sorovi wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/-/1006/1490644/-/3cisb2z/-/index.html

The case might be tricky,the judge presiding is new and all of you know what has been going on in the judiciary...The principle on injuctions also contains a principle called undertaking for damages,this guy is stopping a multi billion sh take over yet he is not giving an undertaking for damages.What if he looses the case who compensates Puma and Kenol?Most likely the companies will win...I have credible info that Kenol was advised to meet the workers they wanted to lay off and arrive at a settlement and they ignored,now look what is happening delays galore...
possunt quia posse videntur
holycow
#1752 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:40:40 PM
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sorovi wrote:
http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/-/1006/1490644/-/3cisb2z/-/index.html


S**t hits the fan. This is going to get messy.


youcan'tstopusnow
#1753 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:46:40 PM
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This has the potential to drag forever.

Na ile kesi ya KPC ilisahaulika?
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
mlennyma
#1754 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:49:27 PM
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4.5m salary for 12months?..nani huyu?
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
mlennyma
#1755 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:53:43 PM
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The only way is to forget puma and buy kk as before..it might get to 9.50-11 range
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
PKoli
#1756 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:57:40 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
The only way is to forget puma and buy kk as before..it might get to 9.50-11 range


That is what I am gonna do next week.
maka
#1757 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 11:38:05 PM
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Niliwambia hamkuniamini.....
possunt quia posse videntur
mwekez@ji
#1758 Posted : Friday, August 31, 2012 8:56:59 AM
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Workers wont win here. Read a similar case results: Court lifts order barring Kenya Airways job cuts (Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:38pm GMT) http://af.reuters.com/article/i...ws/idAFJOE87T06320120830
mwekez@ji
#1759 Posted : Friday, August 31, 2012 8:59:15 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Pay employees 500M* we collect 30B* - iko nini! Relax...

Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#1760 Posted : Friday, August 31, 2012 9:56:13 AM
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I dare say the end is soo nigh!smile
@SufficientlyP
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