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KENOL KOBIL .... 2012
Kausha
#1741 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 11:12:00 AM
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KeKe's margin is distorted by the trading volumes. This includes bulk sales of the OTS kind. The beauty about most of these trades, the costs and prices are predetermined and you are more of a broker/trader than an operator. The margins are razor thin but the costs are minimal. You are talking 2-3 staff at the trading desk and the cost of enabling them do the trade. The financing and shipping costs are all pass through costs. Segman has explained this severally. This is unlike KQ, which must fly and maintain a high and variable operating cost base which it can't pass through efficiently.
chiaroscuro
#1742 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 11:34:25 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
@chiarascuro - ERC pricing does not take into account the full effect of financing. That has been remarked upon by both Total & KK. I spoke to a smaller importer who said when interest rates jumped from 14% to 28%, the ERC stayed 'blind' to the jump. Since most of the product is financed since even firms like KK have to borrow since it is billions per shipment.


ERC does NOT control import prices.

Ther financing of imports is therefore absorbed during the monthly central tender system. Who ever wins the tender must have quoted a price that caters for his financing cost. If not, then he should be in that [or any other] business!

The ERC formula starts with the prices after import - ex-KPRL (for imported crude) and ex-KOSF (for imported refined).
VituVingiSana
#1743 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 12:31:58 PM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@chiarascuro - ERC pricing does not take into account the full effect of financing. That has been remarked upon by both Total & KK. I spoke to a smaller importer who said when interest rates jumped from 14% to 28%, the ERC stayed 'blind' to the jump. Since most of the product is financed since even firms like KK have to borrow since it is billions per shipment.


ERC does NOT control import prices.

Ther financing of imports is therefore absorbed during the monthly central tender system. Who ever wins the tender must have quoted a price that caters for his financing cost. If not, then he should be in that [or any other] business!

The ERC formula starts with the prices after import - ex-KPRL (for imported crude) and ex-KOSF (for imported refined).
The financing costs I was referring to were AFTER the payment to the importer has been made, the stocks released and time to market. Despite what KPC says, there are (often) constraints which means product is shipped by road. Furthermore, not all stocks can be sold immediately.

Assume it takes 15 days between arrival (payment) of fuel/crude at the port to the retail selling point. At 24% interest rates = 1% for the 15 days = 1/- per litre.

The importer has to be paid within a set timeframe after the product is available. It is not expected to 'store' product for other OMCs without being paid for the fuel.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
mlennyma
#1744 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:38:17 PM
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"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Josey
#1745 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:38:06 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#1746 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 5:48:23 PM
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There'll be time enough for counting when the deal is done......
Sept here we come!
@SufficientlyP
King G
#1747 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:38:55 PM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
There'll be time enough for counting when the deal is done......
Sept here we come!


the silence is too laud Sad
Thieves
sorovi
#1748 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:13:10 PM
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guru267
#1749 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:35:07 PM
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More jitters!!

Anyone for sub 14 bob??
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
PKoli
#1750 Posted : Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:01:21 PM
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guru267 wrote:
More jitters!!

Anyone for sub 14 bob??


We will be there tomorrow.
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