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T-BILL RATE @ 10%
chiaroscuro
#1 Posted : Friday, August 17, 2012 3:35:49 PM
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If the trend continues, it will go below 10% in next week's auction.

Time to move money out?
holycow
#2 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 5:55:26 PM
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And it came to pass that 91-day T bill dropped to 8.583%
guru267
#3 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:03:33 PM
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Applause

Now we wait for 5th September!

And the Two year bond @ 11.5% Laughing out loudly

With companies like KCB, BAT, HFCK, offering forward dividend yields of 10%+ for 2012 it looks like we may have a serious rally upon us pretty soon..
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
youcan'tstopusnow
#4 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 7:06:27 PM
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holycow wrote:
And it came to pass that 91-day T bill dropped to 8.583%

I'm wondering how low it can go...
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#5 Posted : Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:33:21 PM
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Wow! NSE set to hit 4k pretty soon. Watch out for Scom to go past 4bob in a matter of weeks,maybe even days & roooaaar sitting pretty at post 25 levels aiming for 27bob.
September will be a Great month for KE stocks i tell u, if the Prof decides to throw out some money into the economy on 5th sept!
@SufficientlyP
Nabwire
#6 Posted : Friday, August 24, 2012 12:14:21 AM
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We told you guys, Tbills are a sham!! Well not really a sham, but you have to factor in time value of money and downward rate adjustments. Equities always perform better.
hisah
#7 Posted : Friday, August 24, 2012 5:44:28 AM
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Nabwire wrote:
We told you guys, Tbills are a sham!! Well not really a sham, but you have to factor in time value of money and downward rate adjustments. Equities always perform better.

Tbills hapana sham, but just a short term (12mths max) defensive tool for investors when the central planning team screws up the macroeconomics. Equities will always out perform money markets except during econ meltdown periods.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#8 Posted : Friday, August 24, 2012 10:16:41 AM
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The time for Tbills was Q4 2011 and even then Equities were hot buys,what with simba at 14.8 in Oct(i bought at that price) & mpesa at 3bob.
For a trader,and even an investor,Equity returns on growth stocks will far outway money mkt returns in the long run!
I like to think of Tbills as a necessary evil in our portfolios,for those rainy days!!
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Nabwire
#9 Posted : Friday, August 24, 2012 10:17:12 PM
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Hisah so you still have money in Tbills? By the way for those who bought at 18% did they lock in that rate for 12 months, or now that its at 10%, they get the aggregate? I dont understand how you could put money in Tbills yet you knew about Africa oil!!!!
Impunity
#10 Posted : Sunday, August 26, 2012 10:44:07 AM
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Nabwire wrote:
Hisah so you still have money in Tbills? By the way for those who bought at 18% did they lock in that rate for 12 months, or now that its at 10%, they get the aggregate? I dont understand how you could put money in Tbills yet you knew about Africa oil!!!!


T-Bills rate dont fluctuate like that.
Do you understand how T-Bill works?
Shame on you
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

chiaroscuro
#11 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 8:26:56 AM
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Nabwire wrote:
Hisah so you still have money in Tbills? By the way for those who bought at 18% did they lock in that rate for 12 months, or now that its at 10%, they get the aggregate? I dont understand how you could put money in Tbills yet you knew about Africa oil!!!!


Yes - the interest rate is "locked-in" at the time of purchase

See this RINK for more info
holycow
#12 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 8:36:06 AM
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chiaroscuro wrote:


Yes - the interest rate is "locked-in" at the time of purchase

See this RINK for more info


There is a 365 day paper auctioned every 1st Wednesday of the month.
chiaroscuro
#13 Posted : Monday, August 27, 2012 8:38:51 AM
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BUT not necessarily for 12 months. You have to chose the bill you want and place a separate bid for it - 91 or 182 or 364 days. Each has different yield.

current averages are:
364-day.....12.638% [dated 13/08/12]
182-day.....10.032% [dated 27/08/12]
91 -day.....8.583% [dated 27/08/12]
maka
#14 Posted : Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:36:15 PM
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hisah wrote:
Nabwire wrote:
We told you guys, Tbills are a sham!! Well not really a sham, but you have to factor in time value of money and downward rate adjustments. Equities always perform better.

Tbills hapana sham, but just a short term (12mths max) defensive tool for investors when the central planning team screws up the macroeconomics. Equities will always out perform money markets except during econ meltdown periods.

debt instruments typically bear a lower
risk.Hence, in the long-term, returns on equities may be higher than
on bonds (though bonds may outperform equities for more prolonged times during this period). This
additional return generated on equities, compared with bonds, is known as the equity risk premium.
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