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KENOL KOBIL .... 2012
ngapat
#1601 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:20:00 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
15th August 2012 is the date for the next earnings announcement according to Bloomberg

Exactly. Hope they don't lie
“Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
murchr
#1602 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:49:34 PM
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Kausha wrote:
1h12 is a loss of about a billion if you do back of the envelope calculations.

Kengen is very simmilar to KQ, they are in a shareholder value destruction phase which is not very apparent to the naked eye- HOWEVER they will produce enough power for us that's for sure but that will be much more than we need if they execute all their plans.

That question of electricity coverage reminds me of the data story on safaricom. We all need energy but that doesn't translate to we all need electricity. Not all cell phone users need data.

The carbon trading story is a fad, the per unit price paid for it is a sham, ask Mumias, they peddled that story until it lost flavor, there is very little money there.

In 1997 when the economy was kaput peak demand was 723MW, in 2012 peak demand is about 1250MW. Demand for electricity has been growing at 8% annually. KPLC forecast demand at 2,250MW by 2015 which includes a reserve buffer of about 30%-the recommended buffer. Kengen has forecast to raise production to 3,00MW by 2015 and to 5,000MW by 2018. Reminds me of the dotcom bubble and the massive fibre capacity in Europe in the late 90's. Mind you with the exception of Ethopia, everyone else has hydro carbons including somalia. We all know most refineries require a thermal electricity plant besides them to consume the sludge. So who will we export kengen's largesse too. I suspect in 2015 we will start switching off some of Kengen's power stations. Mind you IPP's are on 10-15 year contracts so they are not going anywhere soon. Kengen's consumption of debt is very worrying. Very soon they will come with a rights issue at probably 5 bob, to confirm the share value destruction

The future is KPLC, the fibre thing they have going is brilliant. Every power cable has an embedded fibre to it, note no fibre cuts, pricing is low because it costs very little to set up. Now imagine when 50% of the country's electricity cables have fibre embedded? They also have last mile capability as well. Already this year we are talking 500-600m from dark fibre leasing, yet they have barely put together much fibre cable and much of this to the bottom line!!


My friend!!!! there will NEVER be a time where there will be a surplus in power in East Africa...not until we are old and without teeth. You may have grown up in well lit room and maybe you think its the same for every one else. If we are to have railroads which are electric then constant supply is needed. How much electricity would be needed to power a train from lamu to juba let alone to central african republic? Much of Sudan and Somalia is not powered and for their economy to grow lazima umeme.

When I think of KPLC I am reminded of all the illegal connections, the transformer oil thefts and the cable vandalism. When they sort out that then maybe....and that will only happen if/when they have inplace the underground cable network.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Jamani
#1603 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:26:24 AM
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15th here we are..... hullabaloo or not?
hisah
#1604 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:35:14 AM
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Jamani wrote:
15th here we are..... hullabaloo or not?

I hope the news will not cause indigestion or ulcers.

Interim dividend is the catch. A fat or a flat. A fat with dipping profits likely to sweeten the deal... Yep, market math don't make sense... A flat or less, bloated indigestion...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Cde Monomotapa
#1605 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:12:48 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
If indeed its kesho i expect to count more than 50 wazuans here on news break.

Si unajua tena smile "kila mahali, watu kibao."
mlennyma
#1606 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 8:18:44 AM
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@cde special div?
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mwekez@ji
#1607 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:01:35 AM
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ngapat wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
15th August 2012 is the date for the next earnings announcement according to Bloomberg

Exactly. Hope they don't lie


Am sceptical about this date. Bloomberg has given a Next Earnings Announcement Date for all counters listed at NSE. We all know our listed companies don’t give these dates. @ngapat, next time pls give us the source/link of such critical info upfront.

All this said, the D-Day, the H-Hour is nigh! #Watch out
Cde Monomotapa
#1608 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:40:05 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
@cde special div?

That one is just a personal expectation. Speculative at best. Let's see.
VituVingiSana
#1609 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:53:59 AM
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I believe NSE firms (except banks) have 3 months (after 1/2 year end) until results have to be released. This time around, KK may choose to stay quiet until 31st October. They are within the rules of the NSE/CMA & the only pressure is from nervous Nellies on Wazua!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Jamani
#1610 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:48:18 AM
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@ VVS i think you are right, this 15th looks like a hoax, by the way did anyone receive investor briefing invitation from KK?
Aguytrying
#1611 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:50:25 AM
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It is like in athletics where one runner bolts out before the gun and the other runners follow then a false start is declared.
calm down people
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
King G
#1612 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 11:17:44 AM
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Somebody better start a threat when the announcement occurs so that we are not left out!
Thieves
VituVingiSana
#1613 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 11:35:21 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
It is like in athletics where one runner bolts out before the gun and the other runners follow then a false start is declared.
calm down people
And KK is Rudisha ;-)
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#1614 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:49:20 PM
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King G wrote:
Somebody better start a threat when the announcement occurs so that we are not left out!


Do not worry this is the Thread(i think that's what you meant, or i hope so)
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Aguytrying
#1615 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:51:30 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
It is like in athletics where one runner bolts out before the gun and the other runners follow then a false start is declared.
calm down people
And KK is Rudisha ;-)


Yep! mechi ya kushinda.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
mlennyma
#1616 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:53:21 PM
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Yesterday was not fools day.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Impunity
#1617 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:00:57 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
Yesterday was not fools day.


Tumedanganywo.
Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.

King G
#1618 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:36:34 PM
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Impunity wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Yesterday was not fools day.


Tumedanganywo.


More anxiety in the ming. Surely JS
Thieves
mwekez@ji
#1619 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:01:37 PM
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DAMN: Genghis Capital have a sell recommendation on KK. That adds to CFC those who have put their KK sell recommendation on paper
mlennyma
#1620 Posted : Wednesday, August 15, 2012 5:13:23 PM
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Wat about kestrel?
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