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I&M BANK H1
chiaroscuro
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:36:29 PM
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RINK: today's DN, p25

PBT= 2.6bn!
PAT= 1.77bn

ASSETS: 122bn (total) / 15bn (net)

Honestly, I think it is time this bank applied to list...

City Trust holds only about 10% in I&M. City Trust is a scarce share that trades only a few times a month.

I think we are missing out on a great company...

Tuna omba serikali itusaidie kupata hizi shares!
chiaroscuro
#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:40:24 PM
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...and look at their OBJECTIVES

FOR OUR CUSTOMERS TO SAY WITH PRIDE: MY BANK

OUR STAFF TO SAY WITH A SENSE OF ATTACHMENT AND PRIDE: I WORK FOR I&M BANK

FOR OUR SHAREHOLDERS TO SAY: I OWN I&M BANK SHARES
chiaroscuro
#3 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:42:18 PM
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....and their VISION

To become a company where the best people want to work,

The first choice where customers want to do business,

And where shareholders are happy with their investment.
VituVingiSana
#4 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:57:44 PM
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Well, the way in is through City Trust!

BIDS -
Quantity Price Splits Time
- - - -
ASKS 1,300
Quantity Price Splits Time
600 290.00 1 09:30:04
100 296.00 1 09:30:04
400 298.00 1 09:30:04
200 300.00 1 09:30:04
- - - -
TRADES
Quantity Price Time
- - -
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chiaroscuro
#5 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 1:08:11 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Well, the way in is through City Trust!

BIDS -
Quantity Price Splits Time
- - - -
ASKS 1,300
Quantity Price Splits Time
600 290.00 1 09:30:04
100 296.00 1 09:30:04
400 298.00 1 09:30:04
200 300.00 1 09:30:04
- - - -
TRADES
Quantity Price Time
- - -


True; but City Trust holds a small portion... I want the whole thing!

Naomba serikali iingilie kati!
King G
#6 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 1:13:19 PM
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And getting citytrust nowadays is hell. They would rather split the shares for it to be a bit liquid
Thieves
chiaroscuro
#7 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 1:15:41 PM
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King G wrote:
And getting citytrust nowadays is hell. They would rather split the shares for it to be a bit liquid


At 290, the P/E is 49!
Gadaffi
#8 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 1:26:17 PM
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Its a good performance. I am however interested to see how chase bank will perform; the bank hs nce biz products n its subsidiary-Rafiki-has rolled out low cost mortgage..good prospects
VituVingiSana
#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 2:50:49 PM
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chiaroscuro wrote:
King G wrote:
And getting citytrust nowadays is hell. They would rather split the shares for it to be a bit liquid


At 290, the P/E is 49!
Lakini, you are buying City Trust for its ownership in I&M not because of the earnings based on dividends from I&M. The PER you then get is much lower.
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chiaroscuro
#10 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 3:09:58 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
chiaroscuro wrote:
King G wrote:
And getting citytrust nowadays is hell. They would rather split the shares for it to be a bit liquid


At 290, the P/E is 49!
Lakini, you are buying City Trust for its ownership in I&M not because of the earnings based on dividends from I&M. The PER you then get is much lower.


you've lost me there...

I thought the earning reported by City Trust include it's share of earnings from I&M, i.e. it's share of PBT, not just the dividend amount... that would only go to cash flow, wouldn't it?
Aguytrying
#11 Posted : Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:56:37 PM
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@chi. I think he means. The calculated pe should include the potential growth of I&M bank the 10% chunk they own, also the growth rate of the bank, net asset value and other factors. hence not merely pbt and dividends. this may justify the high pe
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VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:09:13 AM
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City Trust owns 7.28% (needs to be confirmed) of I&M Bank therefore it cannot report (per IAS) the proportionate share of I&M's profits on its books. The only 'profits' are the dividends it receives & interest earned.

If I&M Bank (which recently bought 55% of BCR of Rwanda) retains most of its earnings for expansion, growth or other requirements - better capital ratios or reinvestment - then the 'profit' for City Trust will be relatively low.

A better calculation is the 'look-through' method which means you use 7.28% of I&M's profits as the proxy for City Trust's 'real' profits. Then divide this PAT by the number of shares City Trust has. The EPS derived in this manner is approximately 50/-.

*There may be some variations based on:
1) The % ownership of I&M by City Trust. If you look carefully, you will see 100,000 shares were issued recently & these were to employees of I&M under an ESOP. Whereas this would dilute City Trust's %, it is a good tool to buy loyalty of employees.
2) The 2Q results seemed 'poor' vs 1Q but 3Q should see a boost from BCR's acquisition completed in July 2012.
3) The recent decrease in T-Bond yields should provide a boost in the valuation of the Bond portfolio*
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mwekez@ji
#13 Posted : Thursday, August 09, 2012 6:42:20 AM
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Tough times this:

QoQ PBT is down 9.7%
YoY PBT is up by a mere 7.8%

Interest rates is their main headache. It has messed their loan book, deposit book and bonds book.
mwekez@ji
#14 Posted : Thursday, August 09, 2012 6:49:44 AM
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City trust owns circa 7.3% of I&M Bank. City trust should therefore account for I&M as an associate just the same way Coop Bank accounts for CIC. The share of profit from associate should reflect in the bottom line.

The 100,000 ESOP shares issued last year are too few and therefore they made an insignificant impact on the shareholders list.

That said, if you are not already a shareholder of the bank, do not over-anticipate the listing. We have come to see good companies listing at very exploitative price per share as existing shareholders make their kill
VituVingiSana
#15 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2012 9:44:18 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
City trust owns circa 7.3% of I&M Bank. City trust should therefore account for I&M as an associate just the same way Coop Bank accounts for CIC. The share of profit from associate should reflect in the bottom line.
No. There are accounting conventions or rules to be followed. City Trust has neither significant influence over I&M Bank (no directorship on the Board of I&M Bank) nor the 20-50% required ownership to be considered an associate.
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mwekez@ji
#16 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2012 11:53:35 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
City trust owns circa 7.3% of I&M Bank. City trust should therefore account for I&M as an associate just the same way Coop Bank accounts for CIC. The share of profit from associate should reflect in the bottom line.
No. There are accounting conventions or rules to be followed. City Trust has neither significant influence over I&M Bank (no directorship on the Board of I&M Bank) nor the 20-50% required ownership to be considered an associate.


Tx @VVS. Am surprised that even with such a shareholding, Citi Trust has no representation in the Board. Proparco which has a similar holding in the Bank is well represented in the Board.
VituVingiSana
#17 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:25:45 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
City trust owns circa 7.3% of I&M Bank. City trust should therefore account for I&M as an associate just the same way Coop Bank accounts for CIC. The share of profit from associate should reflect in the bottom line.
No. There are accounting conventions or rules to be followed. City Trust has neither significant influence over I&M Bank (no directorship on the Board of I&M Bank) nor the 20-50% required ownership to be considered an associate.

Tx @VVS. Am surprised that even with such a shareholding, Citi Trust has no representation in the Board. Proparco which has a similar holding in the Bank is well represented in the Board.
I agree. 4 years ago CT had 14% but was not on the board.
Currently, there is a common director.
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Gatheuzi
#18 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:36:31 AM
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Citibank has also recorded impressive 100% growth in PBT for the 6 months to June 12 (DNpg15). This is mainly from interest income which grew by 189% from loans and advances and partly from government securities. Loans and advances however declined in the period from 29bn to 28bn.

Consolidated bank on the other had increased its loan book from 7bn to 9bn (DNpg23). While interest income grew by over 100%, it was eroded by higher interest expenses making the growth in PBT to be just 7%.
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VituVingiSana
#19 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:40:15 AM
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Citibank Kenya is a money printing machine! Too bad we cannot (do not) own a stake in it! A huge chunk must be from KQ's Rights Issue.
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mwekez@ji
#20 Posted : Tuesday, August 14, 2012 10:45:39 AM
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High interest rate have not favoured Tier II banks which have wholesale deposits and very few cheap deposits from the mass market. As interest rates decline, they stand to gain the most.
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