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Liv
#101 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 12:27:11 PM
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Hunderwear wrote:
e_kijana wrote:
bird_man wrote:
Price 4.95sh....DD 1.2M Vs SS 236K shares.
My share certificate still taking long to be immobilized.Is this a deliberate move to further reduce supply?



LOL - It is CDSC that manages the immobilization once shares have been verified to be yours... so I doubt it:)


Dont rule it out.Share registrars are coop bank and all they do is keep the certificates once they are handed over to them by the brokers.Anyway me dont think that is the case most people arent willing to sell it as most are wazees.As I said earlier entry point was 4 bob at least for now


@Bird_man,
You will not be able to sell soon.
This is a quiet strategy in Coop.... share immobilization takes ages
PKoli
#102 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 12:34:16 PM
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Hunderwear wrote:
e_kijana wrote:
bird_man wrote:
Price 4.95sh....DD 1.2M Vs SS 236K shares.
My share certificate still taking long to be immobilized.Is this a deliberate move to further reduce supply?



LOL - It is CDSC that manages the immobilization once shares have been verified to be yours... so I doubt it:)


Dont rule it out.Share registrars are coop bank and all they do is keep the certificates once they are handed over to them by the brokers.Anyway me dont think that is the case most people arent willing to sell it as most are wazees.As I said earlier entry point was 4 bob at least for now


This makes sense. I think not many people have also mobilized their shares. The free float is too thin for the demand.when supply comes in significantly we should see prices in the range of 4 bob.
bird_man
#103 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 12:34:21 PM
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Liv wrote:
Hunderwear wrote:
e_kijana wrote:
bird_man wrote:
Price 4.95sh....DD 1.2M Vs SS 236K shares.
My share certificate still taking long to be immobilized.Is this a deliberate move to further reduce supply?



LOL - It is CDSC that manages the immobilization once shares have been verified to be yours... so I doubt it:)


Dont rule it out.Share registrars are coop bank and all they do is keep the certificates once they are handed over to them by the brokers.Anyway me dont think that is the case most people arent willing to sell it as most are wazees.As I said earlier entry point was 4 bob at least for now


@Bird_man,
You will not be able to sell soon.
This is a quiet strategy in Coop.... share immobilization takes ages


I suspect as well but let me wait & see.My broker says the Coop registrars are always putting the immobilization on & off yet the certs were submitted long ago.The price will move up by 10% daily!
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
Ericsson
#104 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 12:45:35 PM
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Once the certificates for the mwananchi are immobilized the share price will come down to the ksh.4 range
The mbig mboys would have made their money.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
e_kijana
#105 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 12:53:40 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
Once the certificates for the mwananchi are immobilized the share price will come down to the ksh.4 range
The mbig mboys would have made their money.


Top 30 Shareholders own over 90%! Top 20 shareholders listed in information memorandum own over 83%. About 8-10% of the individual shareholding is held by management/directors so even without restrictions unlikely to be selling soon. Add the 74% Institutional holding that cannot be sold until after 5 years. This thing is gonna be in short supply for a while...
Hunderwear
#106 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 5:11:58 PM
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e_kijana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Once the certificates for the mwananchi are immobilized the share price will come down to the ksh.4 range
The mbig mboys would have made their money.


Top 30 Shareholders own over 90%! Top 20 shareholders listed in information memorandum own over 83%. About 8-10% of the individual shareholding is held by management/directors so even without restrictions unlikely to be selling soon. Add the 74% Institutional holding that cannot be sold until after 5 years. This thing is gonna be in short supply for a while...



Coop Bank now owns 35% CIC
Ericsson
#107 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 5:17:40 PM
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How now does Co-op bank own 35% yet in the IM it was 26%.
CIC hasn't traded 200 million shares since listing for Co-op bank to have increased shareholding
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Hunderwear
#108 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 6:08:07 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
How now does Co-op bank own 35% yet in the IM it was 26%.
CIC hasn't traded 200 million shares since listing for Co-op bank to have increased shareholding


TOP 20 SHAREHOLDERS IN THE CIS CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY
Name
Percentage
Holding
1 THE CO-OPERATIVE BANK OF KENYA LTD 35.71
2 CO-OPERATIVE BANK SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 9.63
3 K.UNITY SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LIMITED. 3.21
4 HARAMBEE CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 1.81
5 EMBU FARMERS SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LTD 1.78
6 KIPSIGIS TEACHERS SAVINGS & CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 1.53
7 FEP CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 1.48
8 BARINGO TEACHERS SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LTD 1.34
9 H& M SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LTD. 1.27
10
KENYA POLICE STAFF CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY
LTD 1.22
11 BANDARI CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 1.03
12 NEW GENERATIONS SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LTD 0.95
13 NDEGE CHAI CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 0.83
14 STIMA CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 0.78
15 WAKENYA PAMOJA SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LTD 0.75
16 NACICO SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY 0.72
17 CHEMELIL SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LTD 0.69
18 BANKI KUU CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 0.66
19 MWALIMU CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS & CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 0.64
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20 MHASIBU CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 0.63
TOTAL 66.68

Think you are right!
PKoli
#109 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 6:15:27 PM
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Hunderwear wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
How now does Co-op bank own 35% yet in the IM it was 26%.
CIC hasn't traded 200 million shares since listing for Co-op bank to have increased shareholding


TOP 20 SHAREHOLDERS IN THE CIS CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY
Name
Percentage
Holding
1 THE CO-OPERATIVE BANK OF KENYA LTD 35.71
2 CO-OPERATIVE BANK SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 9.63
3 K.UNITY SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LIMITED. 3.21
4 HARAMBEE CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 1.81
5 EMBU FARMERS SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LTD 1.78
6 KIPSIGIS TEACHERS SAVINGS & CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 1.53
7 FEP CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 1.48
8 BARINGO TEACHERS SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LTD 1.34
9 H& M SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LTD. 1.27
10
KENYA POLICE STAFF CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY
LTD 1.22
11 BANDARI CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 1.03
12 NEW GENERATIONS SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LTD 0.95
13 NDEGE CHAI CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 0.83
14 STIMA CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 0.78
15 WAKENYA PAMOJA SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LTD 0.75
16 NACICO SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY 0.72
17 CHEMELIL SAVINGS AND CREDIT CO-OPERATIVE SOCIETY LTD 0.69
18 BANKI KUU CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 0.66
19 MWALIMU CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS & CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 0.64
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20 MHASIBU CO-OPERATIVE SAVINGS AND CREDIT SOCIETY LTD 0.63
TOTAL 66.68

Think you are right!


Hi! Where did you get a list of the 20 top Sacco shareholders?
Ericsson
#110 Posted : Monday, July 30, 2012 7:11:12 PM
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@Hunderwear go back to class to learn basic mathematics;
CIS owns 75% of CIC.
Co-operative Bank owns 35.71% of CIS
35.71*0.75=26.78%.
25% of CIC insurance are the ones held by individual shareholders/available for trading.
In conclusion Co-operative bank owns 26.78% of CIC and not 35%
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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