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will KCB come down....
VituVingiSana
#21 Posted : Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:18:14 AM
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guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
I bought loads of KCB at 25/-... then got my arse handed to me... So I kept off this time... And put cash in other counters...

KCB always has a huge scam every 1-2 years...

@vvs the management have promised to double their assets and lower their cost to income ratio to 50% in three to five years.... Lets see How that affects their profit... And if they don't we'll kick M.O.O out...
Did you know MOO had ZERO shares in KCB (according to KCB's IM)... When I found out... I stayed out... Even the CEO did not want KCB shares so why should I???
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
guru267
#22 Posted : Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:50:54 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
I bought loads of KCB at 25/-... then got my arse handed to me... So I kept off this time... And put cash in other counters...

KCB always has a huge scam every 1-2 years...

@vvs the management have promised to double their assets and lower their cost to income ratio to 50% in three to five years.... Lets see How that affects their profit... And if they don't we'll kick M.O.O out...
Did you know MOO had ZERO shares in KCB (according to KCB's IM)... When I found out... I stayed out... Even the CEO did not want KCB shares so why should I???

Do you have proof that every CEO owns shares in their company??
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
PKoli
#23 Posted : Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:46:20 PM
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guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
I bought loads of KCB at 25/-... then got my arse handed to me... So I kept off this time... And put cash in other counters...

KCB always has a huge scam every 1-2 years...

@vvs the management have promised to double their assets and lower their cost to income ratio to 50% in three to five years.... Lets see How that affects their profit... And if they don't we'll kick M.O.O out...
Did you know MOO had ZERO shares in KCB (according to KCB's IM)... When I found out... I stayed out... Even the CEO did not want KCB shares so why should I???

Do you have proof that every CEO owns shares in their company??



This hapenns mainly when family businesses orcompanies are listed. KCB was a government bank and so MOO is not obliced to own shares. Does MJ own shares in safcom?
sheep
#24 Posted : Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:48:04 PM
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KCB is the hallmark of inefficiency...expect another rights issue in 3yrs time after theyve pissed off their cash to devani kinda deals...I wonder why KCB,KQ recieve almost fanatical following from retail investors...ama its coz they start with the name kenya?
The utimate goal of investing is to buy low sell high;if we re-write this core equation in psychology terms it becomes buy fear sell greed.
PKoli
#25 Posted : Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:53:22 PM
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sheep wrote:
KCB is the hallmark of inefficiency...expect another rights issue in 3yrs time after theyve pissed off their cash to devani kinda deals...I wonder why KCB,KQ recieve almost fanatical following from retail investors...ama its coz they start with the name kenya?



They are also a darling of institutional investors. KQ is a darling of foreigners
PKoli
#26 Posted : Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:09:01 PM
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sheep wrote:
KCB is the hallmark of inefficiency...expect another rights issue in 3yrs time after theyve pissed off their cash to devani kinda deals...I wonder why KCB,KQ recieve almost fanatical following from retail investors...ama its coz they start with the name kenya?


In a year's time, KCB current sharehoders will have received a return of about 90%. KQ coudld possibly make about 50% so I do not think the investors are not daft in making decisions to buy into these companies.
VituVingiSana
#27 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 10:13:29 AM
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PKoli wrote:
guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
I bought loads of KCB at 25/-... then got my arse handed to me... So I kept off this time... And put cash in other counters...

KCB always has a huge scam every 1-2 years...

@vvs the management have promised to double their assets and lower their cost to income ratio to 50% in three to five years.... Lets see How that affects their profit... And if they don't we'll kick M.O.O out...
Did you know MOO had ZERO shares in KCB (according to KCB's IM)... When I found out... I stayed out... Even the CEO did not want KCB shares so why should I???

Do you have proof that every CEO owns shares in their company??



This hapenns mainly when family businesses orcompanies are listed. KCB was a government bank and so MOO is not obliced to own shares. Does MJ own shares in safcom?

*MJ owns shares in Safaricom... (or did buy a significant number at the IPO)
*Equity Bank is NOT a 'family business' yet JM owns many, many shares... at one time over 5% but had to reduce his stake
*Neil Cuthbert (not 'family') of Rea Vipingo is a top 10 shareholder
*Jacob Segman of KenolKobil is a substantial shareholder thru ESOP + direct ownership. Though not Top 10.

And many more...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#28 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 10:33:44 AM
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VVS, JM didn't really 'reduce' his shareholding in Equity. Through proxies he owns much more than the maximum 5 percent threshold required.
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
VituVingiSana
#29 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 11:06:18 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VVS, JM didn't really 'reduce' his shareholding in Equity. Through proxies he owns much more than the maximum 5 percent threshold required.
No idea on that but on the Shareholder List he is not t 5%...

And it shows how his 'efforts' are somewhat aligned with us... unlike MOO...
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#30 Posted : Monday, August 23, 2010 11:14:15 AM
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I think it's now safe to say that KCB WILL NOT COME DOWN. Next thread please!
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mlennyma
#31 Posted : Friday, July 27, 2012 8:04:59 AM
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Review your thoughts.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
guru267
#32 Posted : Friday, July 27, 2012 8:20:40 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
I bought loads of KCB at 25/-... then got my arse handed to me... So I kept off this time... And put cash in other counters...

KCB always has a huge scam every 1-2 years...

@vvs the management have promised to double their assets and lower their cost to income ratio to 50% in three to five years.... Lets see How that affects their profit... And if they don't we'll kick M.O.O out...
Did you know MOO had ZERO shares in KCB (according to KCB's IM)... When I found out... I stayed out... Even the CEO did not want KCB shares so why should I???


Well now that we know that MOO has 500k shares in KCB, are we buying??
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
mwekez@ji
#33 Posted : Friday, July 27, 2012 9:16:02 AM
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#34 Posted : Friday, July 27, 2012 9:17:47 AM
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Great people look at KCB's numbers properly, what you are celebrating was the great second half of 2011. KCB will not grow by much by end of year. They also appear to be buying deposits to make the balance sheet look great. There are no lending opportunities so why bulk up 18B more and pay up 200m to please the audience yet it's clear there is no much value that money is likely to earn. For the first time I prefer Member's balance sheet to KCB's in terms of quality and philosophy. Equity barely grew deposits which is closer to reality compared to the rest of the sector and economy. There are also no lending opportunities there is no therefore point paying fund managers 17%+ when you can't find a government security to investment in for that much rather you the money in. Memba meanwhile has lent more that KCB this half yet KCB has twice the balance sheet. I am interested to see how KCB will cook end year results because their second half last year was humongous. Are they going to buy loans now as well or....
PKoli
#35 Posted : Friday, July 27, 2012 9:24:17 AM
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Kausha wrote:
Great people look at KCB's numbers properly, what you are celebrating was the great second half of 2011. KCB will not grow by much by end of year. They also appear to be buying deposits to make the balance sheet look great. There are no lending opportunities so why bulk up 18B more and pay up 200m to please the audience yet it's clear there is no much value that money is likely to earn. For the first time I prefer Member's balance sheet to KCB's in terms of quality and philosophy. Equity barely grew deposits which is closer to reality compared to the rest of the sector and economy. There are also no lending opportunities there is no therefore point paying fund managers 17%+ when you can't find a government security to investment in for that much rather you the money in. Memba meanwhile has lent more that KCB this half yet KCB has twice the balance sheet. I am interested to see how KCB will cook end year results because their second half last year was humongous. Are they going to buy loans now as well or....

@Kausha,

Kindly give us a comparative analysis, possibly in a table format. We may possibly listen to you. For Mr. Market, I doubt.
Ericsson
#36 Posted : Friday, July 27, 2012 12:16:49 PM
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@Kausha stop hating KCB produced excellent better than equity bank.
Give credit where it is due.
Mr Mwangi of equity bank acknowledged it was a tough trading period for Equity Bank
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
mlennyma
#37 Posted : Friday, July 27, 2012 12:22:34 PM
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My take is equity share has matured and the upside is not comparable to kcb which has waken up to unlock its potential.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Kausha
#38 Posted : Friday, July 27, 2012 12:23:23 PM
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@Erickson, I ain't hating and I acknowledged these were exceptional results but for the students of financial analysis, who have read about dressing books, these KCB results have a decent touch to them but it's all legal. Having said that we all know banks make money largely from lending and investing in government securities/ bank deposits. The windfall KCB is enjoying is from the previous year's work. Look at the current book from December and you will see where concerns are coming from and then go and look at cost of customer deposits and you will realize why we shouldn't celebrate just yet.
Ericsson
#39 Posted : Friday, July 27, 2012 1:30:10 PM
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Interest rates are coming down.
Currently their mortgage rate is at 17% so when it comes down to around 14% there will be an increase in the uptake of morgages.
Same applies to personal loans
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Kausha
#40 Posted : Friday, July 27, 2012 4:50:18 PM
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@Erickson, which interest rates - the lending I presume because the deposit rates are now even going back up, which will simply apply brakes to the expected drop in lending rates.
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