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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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total demand - 2,769,500 vs total supply - 3,757,300 Current VWAP @4.25/- The supply overhang is getting cleared and the supply dislocation is down to 1.37 times rather than the Friday factor which was almost 20 times. But still too early to tell after 4 trading days. I'll get interested at 3/- $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 232 Location: Nairobi
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heri wrote:how is the demand and supply today for CIC My folks told me that my very first word was 'billionaire'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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Ive just realised out of all the insurance companies in nse. Cic is the most liquid. What this means positively is that it will be a darling to institutional investors and foreigners. Think of kcb, saf, equity or eabl. The companies that get high turnovers. As long as the company performs very well.the other insurance companies save for knre are very illiquid leaving cic. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Aguytrying wrote:Ive just realised out of all the insurance companies in nse. Cic is the most liquid. What this means positively is that it will be a darling to institutional investors and foreigners. Think of kcb, saf, equity or eabl. The companies that get high turnovers. As long as the company performs very well.the other insurance companies save for knre are very illiquid leaving cic. Sufficient volumes... Get in and get out at will - a traders dream $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,011 Location: nairobi
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it will be much liquid in the next 5yrs. seems it has bottomed out RADING time(desc) prev. close share. trans last price Kshs percent 15:11:55 4.35 4,815,800 4.25 -0.10 2.3% 15:11:55 4.35 0 4.25 -0.10 2.3% 14:57:05 4.35 0 4.25 -0.10 2.3% 14:55:53 4.35 58,000 4.30 -0.05 1.15% 14:53:45 4.35 500 4.30 -0.05 1.15% 14:53:31 4.35 20,000 4.30 -0.05 1.15% stats total deals 89 total turnover 20,606,576 avg price high price 4.35 low price 4.15 last price 4.25 shares volume 4,815,800 LAST 7 TRAN
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2007 Posts: 152 Location: Nairobi
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I don't like this lagged drop in price of this share. I need to buy @yaserbigchair price prediction.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/14/2011 Posts: 639
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Ilikeyou wrote:I don't like this lagged drop in price of this share. I need to buy @yaserbigchair price prediction.
Time to buy is fast diminishing the earlier you do it the better.Am smelling a good H1 results and the market gonna get spooked
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,221 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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Aguytrying wrote:Ive just realised out of all the insurance companies in nse. Cic is the most liquid. What this means positively is that it will be a darling to institutional investors and foreigners. Think of kcb, saf, equity or eabl. The companies that get high turnovers. As long as the company performs very well.the other insurance companies save for knre are very illiquid leaving cic. I agree with you on the liquidity part. However, institutional investors(read banks,insurance cos,Pension funds) by virtue of holding depositors,pensioners funds on their behalf, only go for bluechips i.e companies with a proven track record of paying out handsome dividends, issuing bonuses, and have generally been in town for a while. Cic still has some leg work to do to get to the levels of KCB,Bamburi,EABL,BAT,SCBK,BBK,and of late, member and mpesa have also joined the IVY league!Notice BBK & SCBK(yesterday's giants) are slowly fading away! Interesting times indeed But for traders,Cic will be a good play! @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Hunderwear wrote:Ilikeyou wrote:I don't like this lagged drop in price of this share. I need to buy @yaserbigchair price prediction.
Time to buy is fast diminishing the earlier you do it the better.[b]Am smelling a good H1 results and the market gonna get spooked[b] Waiting for Coop H1 results - specifically the associate profits figure... That should give the hint on what the CIC H1 result will be and the spook party will be on $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/19/2006 Posts: 113 Location: Mombasa
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still trades at premium. I wouldn't mind to buy it at 3.50. although I would be very greedy for the 2.7-3.00 mark and I am sure they are going to announce a better result probalbly over 20% more than the previous one ie may be 700M after tax. Reasons: 1. Insuring the Jua Kali sector. 2. Improved NSE Index. I am watching! Sound that I love most: Is the ringing bell of Stock Market.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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Seems the floor is going to be defended. I was expecting it to test sub 4/- but bids are now taking over. I hope it can test 3.50 for a bucketload scoop... $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/31/2011 Posts: 5,121
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yaserbigchair wrote:still trades at premium.
I wouldn't mind to buy it at 3.50. although I would be very greedy for the 2.7-3.00 mark and I am sure they are going to announce a better result probalbly over 20% more than the previous one ie may be 700M after tax.
Reasons: 1. Insuring the Jua Kali sector. 2. Improved NSE Index.
I am watching! True CIC is trading at a premium unlike the old guard insurance companies in the bourse. Many will say that CIC has potential and i will ask doesnt the other insurance companies have potiential. IMHO, CIC is best for traders during this period. Investors should shop elsewhere or wait for the picture to be clearer. FYI, better performance of NSE will not improve CIC performance because CIC is not invested in the market. However, other factors other than NSE will. The trading side of me is watching!
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/14/2011 Posts: 639
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This gem traded on the OTC for above 70 shillings since last year.The 1st quarter results were great.The 75% of shares are not tradable.It has a strong management and assured business in the name of cooperative movement.To top it all it is the only insurance in kenya making underwriting profit(this i overheard and cant confirm).If as an investor you are not prepared to pay a premium for this the you can as well forget about investing.The best would be to buy before a floor is established and sit tight.Should half year result come out on the positive the premium to pay will be prohibitive.Or so I think and stand to be corrected Disclaimer;I own a chunk of this stock.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/31/2011 Posts: 5,121
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Hunderwear wrote:...it (cic) is the only insurance in kenya making underwriting profit(this i overheard and cant confirm). Get the facts and stop relying on hearsey! Check Table 13 in this Association of Kenya Insurers report and you will know who the Kings of Insurance are. To condense it, Jubilee is King, followed by Chartis Kenya, followed by ….. Notice CIC underwriting profit is not even half of Jubilee Underwriting profit! And we still haven’t started talking about investment income! http://www.akinsure.or.ke/publi...I_Annual_Report_2010.pdf.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/8/2007 Posts: 808
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let's stop hyping this, any insurer with motor vehicle and medical in it's books constituting more than 50% is a monkey stock, it can only have market share growth and shrinking profit margins. CIC has done very well because of these two classes. This worries me because somewhere ahead once the cycle matures you will see a struggle in growth of profitability. Only reprieve is that they are also pushing some life insurance. All in all though I would stay away from CIC until 2 bob.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,124 Location: Nairobi
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Not my cup of tea at this price! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Hello Joined: 2/15/2012 Posts: 6
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i bought a few at 4.20/- and a few at 4.0/- if it goes lower i ll keep topping up small amounts to reduce my average cost... hope this plan of attack works...
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/2/2006 Posts: 1,206 Location: Nairobi
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@Hunderwear, Half year results announcement ni lini? Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/30/2010 Posts: 1,635
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Half year results will be announced sometime in August probably.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/10/2007 Posts: 1,587
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bartum wrote:it will be much liquid in the next 5yrs. seems it has bottomed out RADING time(desc) prev. close share. trans last price Kshs percent 15:11:55 4.35 4,815,800 4.25 -0.10 2.3% 15:11:55 4.35 0 4.25 -0.10 2.3% 14:57:05 4.35 0 4.25 -0.10 2.3% 14:55:53 4.35 58,000 4.30 -0.05 1.15% 14:53:45 4.35 500 4.30 -0.05 1.15% 14:53:31 4.35 20,000 4.30 -0.05 1.15% stats total deals 89 total turnover 20,606,576 avg price high price 4.35 low price 4.15 last price 4.25 shares volume 4,815,800 LAST 7 TRAN @bartum, why do you think CiC will be more liquid in 5 years?
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