wazua Wed, Jan 15, 2025
Welcome Guest Search | Active Topics | Log In | Register

11 Pages<12345>»
CIC by yaserbigchair
King G
#41 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:29:53 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/20/2012
Posts: 3,855
Location: Othumo
heri wrote:
what is the price at the demand level of 4.6m


Wacha wakaye nayo for now
Thieves
hisah
#42 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:55:17 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 8/4/2010
Posts: 8,977
heri wrote:
what is the price at the demand level of 4.6m

You can check it here - http://live.rich.co.ke/bdexp/index.php

Select the stock you want to review.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Okonkwo
#43 Posted : Friday, July 20, 2012 11:24:59 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 1/29/2009
Posts: 85
Quote:

Actually sorry 2.2B shares multiply by 3.50 to get 7B+. Divide this by the total shareholders funds. So obviously at 4.75, it's even worse.


@Kausha
What is the shareholder funds total? Because myself I am getting NAV of 5.1
How are you getting 4.5% may be my formula is wrong
guru267
#44 Posted : Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:07:02 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 1/21/2010
Posts: 6,675
Location: Nairobi
Okonkwo wrote:
Quote:

Actually sorry 2.2B shares multiply by 3.50 to get 7B+. Divide this by the total shareholders funds. So obviously at 4.75, it's even worse.


@Kausha
What is the shareholder funds total? Because myself I am getting NAV of 5.1
How are you getting 4.5% may be my formula is wrong

The shareholder funds equates to 4.8billion kshs.. Divide this by the 2.2billion shares and you get a NAV of 2.2bob.

This gives a price /book of 2.15
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
e_kijana
#45 Posted : Sunday, July 22, 2012 5:14:27 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 1/17/2009
Posts: 55
PKoli
#46 Posted : Monday, July 23, 2012 11:31:35 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/10/2007
Posts: 1,587
e_kijana wrote:
http://cic.co.ke/press/396-gceo-listing-speech?start=1

Enlightening


Thanks good info and fact the they are on target to meet projected premium income of 9B shows these guys are serious..
hisah
#47 Posted : Monday, July 23, 2012 3:04:38 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 8/4/2010
Posts: 8,977
PKoli wrote:
e_kijana wrote:
http://cic.co.ke/press/396-gceo-listing-speech?start=1

Enlightening


Thanks good info and fact the they are on target to meet projected premium income of 9B shows these guys are serious..


Now if only this thing could bleed to 3/- for a discounted entry smile
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Horton
#48 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:32:08 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/30/2007
Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
Great company. Only one listed with a combined ratio below 1.0.

However, I find it a tad expensive at a pe of 15. Then again...ur paying for quality.

Will definitely get in if it drops to a pe of 10 and below.....if that ever happens

e_kijana
#49 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:03:08 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 1/17/2009
Posts: 55
Look at the forward PE... you are focused on the side mirror and this is a growth company. you saw Q1 results which were muscular and we know they hit 4B+ In H1 revenue fromthis speech. You can expect the H1 results will be announced by mid August latest as this is an obligation now that it is listed
e_kijana
#50 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:05:08 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 1/17/2009
Posts: 55
No 2 Insurer in Kenya is impressive and is Only behind Jubilee (from a market share perspective). They will potentially glide past in next few years as they have a wider base to tap into.
PKoli
#51 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:13:58 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/10/2007
Posts: 1,587
e_kijana wrote:
No 2 Insurer in Kenya is impressive and is Only behind Jubilee (from a market share perspective). They will potentially glide past in next few years as they have a wider base to tap into.


@e_kijana,

That is very true. They will soon be at the top.
guru267
#52 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:25:39 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 1/21/2010
Posts: 6,675
Location: Nairobi
Buy Kenya re at below 10bob at a forward P/E of 2.5, a dividend yield of 6% and a price to book of 0.5...

I highly doubt any other insurance company will beat these potential returns
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
PKoli
#53 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:25:54 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/10/2007
Posts: 1,587
e_kijana wrote:
No 2 Insurer in Kenya is impressive and is Only behind Jubilee (from a market share perspective). They will potentially glide past in next few years as they have a wider base to tap into.


@e_kijana,

That is very true. They will soon be at the top.
Horton
#54 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:49:17 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 8/30/2007
Posts: 1,558
Location: Nairobi
@guru bought kenre yesterday at 9.60. But this does look quite tempting. Now this is a true underwriting profit.
heri
#55 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:02:12 AM
Rank: Member


Joined: 9/14/2011
Posts: 834
Location: nairobi
how is the demand and supply today for CIC
King G
#56 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:05:08 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 6/20/2012
Posts: 3,855
Location: Othumo
CIC @ current price of 4.30 is tempting
Thieves
Ericsson
#57 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:06:11 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,702
Location: NAIROBI
Ngoja ksh.4 to 3.00
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Aguytrying
#58 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:17:06 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
guru267 wrote:
Buy Kenya re at below 10bob at a forward P/E of 2.5, a dividend yield of 6% and a price to book of 0.5...

I highly doubt any other insurance company will beat these potential returns


@guru. I agree.
I think New listings are harder to judge and more unpredictable.They tend to come down back to earth after a few years.

CiC is a VERY good company with a lot of potential. However right now it is too EXPENSIVE.

Surely even with all the growth potential(unless it will be like equity bank or ARM), what can justify it to trade at a pe of 15.00 as an insurance company or actually as any company in the current environment?
Either one of three scenarios will playout. Either CiC will be come down to near the value of its peers, or its peers will come up to near the value of CiC or it will go the ARM, EQTY,SCAN way but this is least likely.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Aguytrying
#59 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:23:18 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
Looking at the trend since listing, to me it looks CiC is headed to sub 4.00. Heavy supply at lower prices.
I am Unbiased. I have nothing against CiC i even believe in its potential, but its a bit too pricy at the moment.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Ericsson
#60 Posted : Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:30:19 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,702
Location: NAIROBI
CIC come baby come baby come down and closer
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Users browsing this topic
Guest (10)
11 Pages<12345>»
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Copyright © 2025 Wazua.co.ke. All Rights Reserved.