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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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In 'Brothers Karamazov,' there's a chapter called 'The grand inquisitor.' In it, some high priest chances on the 'real Christ' performing miracles. He is angered, and so orders for Christ's arrest. Christ is taken to a police station and spends the night there.
The following morning, the Grand inquisitor summons the Christ and says, 'Why are you causing trouble? No one cares about freedom! All that people care about is bread, miracles, and authority!'
'They want to pray before priests, they want to be offered miracles, bread . . . they want a stable government . . . and you want to them to be free! Wacha Ojinga!
Toka hapa haraka! Na usi angalie nyuma!'
And so we get the answer to your question: These miraculous pastors are entrepreneurs whose products are tailored to meet real needs. In fact, it is so good that they are many!
We owe these pastors a great deal of gratitude for helping to pacify society. Were they not plying their trade, there'd be more suicides, murders, . . . and all kinds of things that scare us.
'God' is a word. What does a word mean? Who is saying it? When you get to the limits of utterance you begin to realize that these pastors are some kind of heroes.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/17/2010 Posts: 572
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tycho wrote:In 'Brothers Karamazov,' there's a chapter called 'The grand inquisitor.' In it, some high priest chances on the 'real Christ' performing miracles. He is angered, and so orders for Christ's arrest. Christ is taken to a police station and spends the night there.
The following morning, the Grand inquisitor summons the Christ and says, 'Why are you causing trouble? No one cares about freedom! All that people care about is bread, miracles, and authority!'
'They want to pray before priests, they want to be offered miracles, bread . . . they want a stable government . . . and you want to them to be free! Wacha Ojinga!
Toka hapa haraka! Na usi angalie nyuma!'
And so we get the answer to your question: These miraculous pastors are entrepreneurs whose products are tailored to meet real needs. In fact, it is so good that they are many!
We owe these pastors a great deal of gratitude for helping to pacify society. Were they not plying their trade, there'd be more suicides, murders, . . . and all kinds of things that scare us.
'God' is a word. What does a word mean? Who is saying it? When you get to the limits of utterance you begin to realize that these pastors are some kind of heroes. this sums up religion both today and in antiquity 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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Stupid preachers....... maybe this should also be a topic, a few weeks ago someone drag me to another gospel singer function, his name I believe was Double Double, he was suppose to sing but he end up singing and preaching! Anyway, all his songs were about getting financial blessing double and in the process of preaching he said that he could see people's balances on their mortgages getting cleared and them owning the house completely, he also told us that within 14 days 70 people in that room (I guess there were about 200 people) were going to be millioniers in 14 days... I thought, this guy has to be one of the stupid preaches, he was running around the room praying and talking about what God was telling him.... he never preach about love, forgiveness or even salvation, he preached about wealth and wealth and wealth
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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Kaigangio wrote:YesuWangu wrote:
Hello Masukuma.
The word, the whole word and nothing but the word. Sola scriptura its called. On a doctrine like salvation, the key one, the evangelicals / charismatics (I mix them up sometimes) only take a sixth of the story. The rest of their narrative is conjecture, 'supported' by the single line bible texts. They can even use snippets of the bible to beat down other unfavorable parts of the bible.
are you therefore saying that the bible is contraditory? Not at all. There is complete harmony from genesis to revelation. Whenever there 'appears' a contradiction its 100% the readers' lack understanding that creates that 'contradiction'. A typical 'contradiction' is law vs grace. They use grace to beat down the law.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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Just allow God to do the separation. Fake stuff don't last long.God knows how best to expose and shame them See even if we name them,their ardent followers will call it persecution cz we perceive things differently. I can name like 10. 4 have been shamed already.The rest are next. "The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/14/2011 Posts: 132 Location: Darasani
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It's all in the good book. Jesus warned that fake teachers will sprout in his name and that they will mislead many all for their selfish interests. The gospel of Christ is simple: that God loves us so much and He wants to reconcile with us in spite of who we are and/or what we've done.That we be called His sons and share in his glory. This he gives to us for free not because of what we have done lest anyone should boast. Good deeds are the result of salvation NOT the cause.All you can do is all you can do; but all you can do is enough!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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I am shocked at some of the revelations by @kagizzard. The things men do for money! But the new pastors are worse even visiting witchdoctors to increase the flock size. Why am I even calling them pastors? These are conmen posing as pastors and giving all clergymen and the church a bad name. They are like counterfeit products: they resemble the genuine till you take a closer look.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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YesuWangu wrote:Kaigangio wrote:YesuWangu wrote:
Hello Masukuma.
The word, the whole word and nothing but the word. Sola scriptura its called. On a doctrine like salvation, the key one, the evangelicals / charismatics (I mix them up sometimes) only take a sixth of the story. The rest of their narrative is conjecture, 'supported' by the single line bible texts. They can even use snippets of the bible to beat down other unfavorable parts of the bible.
are you therefore saying that the bible is contraditory? Not at all. There is complete harmony from genesis to revelation. Whenever there 'appears' a contradiction its 100% the readers' lack understanding that creates that 'contradiction'. A typical 'contradiction' is law vs grace. They use grace to beat down the law. the readers do understand everything the bible says, but choose to interprete the word to suit the existing circumstances and congregation... using your example of grace and law, you have to breake the law first and receive the grace later after repenting your sins... any other perceived biblical fallacies are pure work of individuals designs and not spiritual or divine truth... ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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essyk wrote:Just allow God to do the separation.
Fake stuff don't last long.God knows how best to expose and shame them
See even if we name them,their ardent followers will call it persecution cz we perceive things differently.
I can name like 10.
4 have been shamed already.The rest are next.
can we name them and carry out a virtual persecution...kama ni mbaya ni mbaya...name them!!! ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/27/2007 Posts: 2,768
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Pastor honourable doctor bishop Margaret Wanjru Kamangu alias Matjeke.. could anyone remember the lady going to south africa every quite often prior to 2007 to visit his future husband pastor matjeke that never was.... did i hear they were actually consulting a sangoma...jeeze!!! JIAM followers are a bewitched lot. They must have been fed by the real "githukia tombo"...yea!! brain shaker!!! ...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
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