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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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b]Cure for cancer and AIDS etc- You know what you need to do. He has given instructions in regard to healthy living. Follow them and you will have no need for a cure for you will never get cancer & AIDS. Even if you get sick, the elements in the periodic table from which cures can be made are found on this earth (see reply in paragraph about prayers). As for kids staving to death, well, there is always someone who could have prevented it but did not (again see reply in paragraph about prayers). Food does not get raptured up to heaven you know. You seem to be urging Him to take some drastic action to be a dictator. [/b]
This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life....If giving us a cure for cancer and AIDS and stopping kids from starving to death is dictatorship in your book, then you are as warped as this god of yours...There should be no rules, no prayers, no explanation, if he is there, he needs to give us the cures for AIDS and Cancer yesterday and stop kids from starving to death last week....Why are we debating this?...People are dying and yet this god of yours is playing games?.. Healthy living alone will not save you from cancer and AIDS...There are millions of people who have contracted AIDS through blood transfusion, there are kids who are born with the AIDS virus, are you trying to tell me those kids did not follow these rules for healthy living? People in Somalia are starving to death, they are desperate for food, they will eat anything, but in your brainwashed mind, you want them to eat healthy, yet they can't even get a bite of any kind of food to begin with? lol, you religious people are something else. So, if these elements are found on this earth, then why doesn't your god just stop the suffering and tell us which elements they are so we can get a cure? Why does he have to play so many mind games while people are suffering...If I knew what the elements were, I would go on CNN right now and announce, that right there shows that I am a better person that your god, because he knows but he won't say, but in the meantime, his "children" are suffering....Oh, I forgot, he works in mysterious ways....Eff that shit, mysterious ways and people are suffering everyday????What satisfaction does he get with his mysteries while people are desperate? What is this, hide and seek that he is playing? That he hides shit and we have to seek it, while we continue to suffer? This is the biggest crock I have ever heard in my life....If he has the cure, he needs to give it to us RIGHT NOW, within the hour and stop the nonsense of being mysterious....Total BS. I don't care if food gets raptured into heaven or not, that is inconsequential, what we need right now in starving countries is that food...If it gets raptured or not DOES NOT MATTER..I could give a flying f*** where is gets raptured to.
The role of human input into diseases, conflicts and suffering is very plain and open and undeniable, yet still denied. Humans make (or fail to make) all the decisions and implements relevant to start and spread diseases, conflicts, wars and suffering yet recognition goes to another. The humans will try harder until their efforts and contributions in these matters are finally recognized. In this paragraph, you still want Him to be a dictator and take action without 2nd opinion.
The role of blah blah blah, stop using semantics to distract from the topic...If your god really cares about his children, he should get rid of diseases, conflicts and suffering...Period. We don't care about the decisions and relevant implementations that need to be made to start and spread diseases, we just need for your god to get rid of the diseases.. We can argue all day about the source and origin of diseases and conflicts and all the other ills in the world, but that will get us nowhere, because as we continue to argue and debate, more people are dying...So, instead of debating because we don't have time to blame one person or group or community for starting the conflicts or disease, how about this all knowing god just nips in the bud/ how about he just ends it all and makes this world paradise for everybody...People are suffering in this world and yet all you want to do is start debating about useless things that don't help mankind? Yes, in your words, I want him to be a "dictator" and stop the conflicts and diseases without a 2nd opinion....Why would he need a 2nd opinion for him to stop conflict and diseases? That is a no brainer/ we don't have to go to the polls to vote if this god should stop conflicts and end diseases, that should be something he should do outright and immediately...If that's dictatorship to you, then so be it.
He is more than willing to answer prayers. Maybe answers to some of those prayers depend on you and so and so to reach the person praying. You dont live in a vacuum, you know. What if you or someone else decided to do A instead of B, then because of the A you did, the next person did A1 and so on until the nth person in the queue did A23, then the person praying could have got his A24 answer. Sometimes or many times someone breaks the chain and the last person does not get his A24 and gets Z instead. What makes you think he has not answered the 'thousands of prayers' this way.
He is not more than willing to answer prayers?..nonsense...If he is more than willing to answer prayers, are you telling me that if I close my eyes right now and prayed for all the disabled people to be able to walk, when I open my eyes and turn CNN on they will have breaking news that all the disabled people are now walking? Nonsense...If you closed your eyes and prayed for a cure for AIDS and then we picked up the newspapers tomorrow, the headlines will say that all AIDS patients have been cured? That is such nonsense...People have been praying for centuries and the world is still a catastrophic mess....How many times do people need to pray to get their prayers answered? Besides that, why do we need to pray so as to be granted something? why can't this god just see what we need and just give it to us? Do we have to pray (beg) for it? If he knows that I have a headache today, why can't he just make it go away? Do I have to beg him to take it away? Prayer is just somebody talking to themselves.. It's brought about by desperation in people...Human beings are so desperate in this life that they are looking for an answer, any answer, and they feel like maybe there is a god who can help them with their desperation....That's all prayer is, some delusion that somebody somewhere is listening and will help them out, but that NEVER EVER happens because nobody is listening....
Anybody can pull the rug from underneath you. Even me. For example what if I find you and stab you through the heart with a knife? Or I pre arrange things so that you loose your assets. God will have nothing to do with that, it will be me and my hands that did the acts and pulled the rug. (Again see reply in paragraph about human actions). In this paragraph, you accuse Him of dictatorship over something I just might as well have done.
Everybody will die at some point.. I could be hit by a truck or get a heart attack and die, so by you hypothetically stabbing me, that's just another way to die, doesn't mean that rug has been pulled from underneath me....I am not afraid to die, everybody will bite the dust and leave everything on this earth, it's called life....If you pre-arrange that I lose my assets, then that means that I start again...No big deal...Will it hurt? sure, but is it the end of life? hell no. Life is what you make it. And from your argument, if something evil happens, like somebody gets stabbed or there is a tsunami in New Orleans, then god had nothing to do with that, but if you win an Olympic medal, then all praise be to god...lol...Shouldn't he have to take both blame and praise? Or are you going to place the blame on the other make belief comical being called "satan"..If this satan guy is causing so much peril, why can't your god just nuke him and shut him up for good? lol, Is he afraid of him? You guys are ridiculous.
Now you dont want Him to be a dictator. As far as I can tell, God has not killed anyone, yet. (see reply in paragraph about role of humans). Those not with us today are in 'sleep'. Some day, He will wake them up and they will live again. You will see them, even that dear one of yours.Then He will make some be as if they had never been. Think of this this way, you are a dissenting voice against Him yet you still live. There are billions of dissentors like you walking on this planet today and making decisions that affect the next person +vely or -vely. What a dictatorship you live in!
Well, according to your bible, it says that he killed people in Soddom and Gommorha and also drowned people after Naoh left town in the ark...So, from my understanding, your god has killed people.. He throws a tantrum like a 2 year old and kills people every time he feels slighted.. Those not with us today are not sleep, they are DEAD. Sleep would mean that their hearts are still beating, but they are worm food, dead, gone, never coming back. How do you know your god will make them up one day? Will he wake everybody up, muslims and hindus and all the other religions that don't worship him or is it just going to be christians? I am a dissenting voice and I live, what's wrong with that? Should I be killed because I am dissenting? WTF? I say he is a dicatator because he wants people to kiss his ass everyday....What's the point of being worshipped everyday…Isn’t that's not dictatorship? Why should we worship him? Why can't he just be like one of the boys that we hang out with that we don't have a need to worship? Why do we have to thank him for everything? Nobody deserves to be worshipped, for what reason? So that we can stroke his ego? Does he have low self esteem that he requires constant attention so that he can feel good about himself? Yes, I am a dissenter, but I respect everybody else, everybody has a right to be who or what they want to be under the laws of the land, if your god has a problem with that, then he needs to enroll in school for tolerance 101.
Its 2012 already yet we have not found cure for the lousy common cold. Atheists who make medicines have let humanity down in this regard, more than the God they accuse. We dont have all the answers to everything and we, especially you, are not consistent in everything. But you are still thinking of these things. This shows you are still thinking about them. Please, whatever you do, be a good atheist and do not stop thinking about them. That is the only way you you will begin to figure them out.
At least atheists are trying their best to make medicines with the knowledge they have, you god claims to have all the knowledge but he hasn't given us the cure for the lousy common cold...So, who is a bigger douchebag? At least we are trying our best, your god is sitting on the cure but likes to see people suffering....What a perverse god he is...I am consistent in everything and I have answers to this whole deal...My consistency is I am a human being that does not believe in your make believe god…....I am consistent on that and you can take it all the way to the bank...You theists are the ones that can't even agree on one religion and one god, killing each other everyday in the name of your fictional gods....At least us atheists don't have to worry about all that nonsense and just believe in human kindness....You guys can keep killing each other, I would be the happiest man if us atheists could relocate to some far away land all by ourselves and leave you guys to kill each other everyday, and bomb each other's churches and mosques until you finish off everybody and there is no more religious nonsense in this world, just human kindness....
Do not criticize theists for believing then you turn around and believe that God does not exist. Oh, and avoid averments, atheists like doing that.[/quote]
We don't BELIEVE in anything religious, as a matter of fact , we don't care if your god exists or not, because he is not part of our lives...So, you can believe he exists, but I don't care one way or the other, because he does not exist in MY LIFE. And yet I am a successful man even without your god and his so called "blessings". Isn’t that ironic that your god is “blessing” one of his most vocal dissenter and turning his back on his most vocal supporters (Poor Africans)? . [/b][/i][/i]
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Yesu wangu, I have a challenge for you...If your god really exists and answers prayers, why don't you pray for him to end all the diseases, war, hunger, conflict, hate and suffering? before you go to sleep tonight, I want you to pray for all those things to be eradicated. If tomorrow morning I wake up and see that they have all been done with, then I will get on my knees and worship your god..I might even become a pastor and spread his word...But if nothing happens, then it would be safe for me to say that he doesn't exist and if he exists he is either useless or a saddist...Why else would he allow all those ills upon his children if he was not a saddist? So, hope that this god of yours comes through otherwise I will just dismiss you and your god as nothing but hot air....You said that he answers prayers, well, pray for those things to happen and let's see if they will be answered....Tomorrow morning I expect big things...What will it be Yesu Wangu? Will your god have your back or is he busy sending "bad" people to "hell" that he has no time for your prayers seeking to help suffering mankind? Tomorrow morning I will check in with you and hear what he told you.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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This will be short.
I have not prayed, I just read your plea this morning. But I would not have anyway.
You have insistently and consistently attributed the state of the world to God & His actions / inactions.
Clearly, God (or for flexibility, gods) and His (or their) actions / inactions occupies THE central theme in your posts and worldview. Consistency! Hamburglar, consistency!
What does that make you but a theist?
On the other hand, in my single post I have attributed the state of the world to human beings and their actions / inactions.
If I continue to insistenly and consistently do that, I will be the aetheist in this thread, not you.
I think you should move on to discussing the character of God because after all, in so many words you imply that He, being responsible for the state of the word, exists. Consistency, Hamburglar, consistency!
I will be damned if your next post is not about God (or gods) with more rants over His (or their) actions / inactions on the state of the world. You insist God (or gods) does not exist, but you have carefully avoided explaining the state of the world in the absence of God (or gods).
The veracity of your claims about Gods character is subject to another different discussion altogether, the kind of discussions theists usually have between themselves. Get the hint?
Are you sure you want to have this discussion? Or do you want to explain the state of the world without reference to a 'non-existent' God?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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YesuWangu wrote:This will be short.
I have not prayed, I just read your plea this morning. But I would not have anyway.
You have insistently and consistently attributed the state of the world to God & His actions / inactions.
Clearly, God (or for flexibility, gods) and His (or their) actions / inactions occupies THE central theme in your posts and worldview. Consistency! Hamburglar, consistency!
What does that make you but a theist?
On the other hand, in my single post I have attributed the state of the world to human beings and their actions / inactions.
If I continue to insistenly and consistently do that, I will be the aetheist in this thread, not you.
I think you should move on to discussing the character of God because after all, in so many words you imply that He, being responsible for the state of the word, exists. Consistency, Hamburglar, consistency!
I will be damned if your next post is not about God (or gods) with more rants over His (or their) actions / inactions on the state of the world. You insist God (or gods) does not exist, but you have carefully avoided explaining the state of the world in the absence of God (or gods).
The veracity of your claims about Gods character is subject to another different discussion altogether, the kind of discussions theists usually have between themselves. Get the hint?
Are you sure you want to have this discussion? Or do you want to explain the state of the world without reference to a 'non-existent' God?
I never said your god existed, you are the one who keeps insisting that he exists and he answers prayers...Obviously human beings are not capable of ridding themselves of all those ills I have mentioned...It's been centuries and we still have the same issues, maybe even worse in this day and age..So, I think it's time for you and your fellow theists to close your eyes and tell this god of yours (that you claim exists) to intervene on behalf of mankind..What are you waiting for? As we keep debating and engaging in unending conversations about this and that and who is responsible and the role of man and blah blah blah, more and more people keep starving to death and more and more people contimue to suffer...So, let's just cut to the chase, quit with all the hulaballoo, quit with all the big words and little action and have you guys pray to this god of yours (that answers prayers)and ask him to please please please stop the madness...That's the only way we can have a discussion, after I wake up tomorrow and every ill in the world has been eradicated by this "loving" god..Otherwise we will just keep going round and round and round in circles displaying big words and no actions and wasting a whole lot of time in the internet while people in Mathare keep suffering, kids in Somalia keep dying every 5 minutes.... I am doing my part with the resources that I have and with some friends help, I help underpriledged kids and I am embarking on a seemingly insurmountable task of trying to start a children's home in Athi River. I once said I don't like putting my business out in public because I don't want it to look brash or some sort of brag, but I have to say it in this instance...I have made some initial steps and bought some land in Athi River and I know that someday, my goal will come into fruition.... I don't have time to sit down and chit chat about who is responsible for spreading disease or who is resposnsible for that or this is what your god can do and blah blah blah, there is no time for all that, people continue to suffer while theists keep praying on Sunday and then after that, they leave everything to this god who is yet to give us a cure for the common cold...So, let's not talk about this or that anymore, I am doing my part, now it's up to you to tell this god of yours to do his part and eradicate all those ills I mentioned....Otherwise, we are all just wasting time while the world keeps sinking more and more into abyss.... Keep talking and prasing this god that does nothing, some of us are not as weak minded, we understand that this god does not exist and it's up to you and I to help those less fortunate....If your god rerally exists and you talk t o him in your prayers, tell him that am challenging him to get off his ass, put on his big boy pants, get to work and do something about this crazy world...The priority is saving the starving kids, not keeping tabs of who prays and who doesn't pray and who kisses his ass everyday by spreading his word....Spread his word for what and kids are starving to death? Will those starving kids eat those words...Will people in Mathare eat the verse John 3:16 for dinner?...Yet everybody that you meet only wants to know if you are saved or not, SAVED FROM WHAT? BS...What nonsense. The other day a pastor was caught here in my city having an affair behind his wife's back and yet he used to be the first one to preach to everyone and anyone about god this and god that and yet the guy can't even keep his shit in his pants...Useless character..You should see him when he is 'praying"....Guy looks like this god just touched him, emotions galore, almost looks like he is in pain with all the "holy spirit" or whatever it is that you guys pretend to see when you are praying, yet the dude was just eyeing the girls at church...Pathetic...All the pastors combined here in my city could not help one of my deeply religious friends who got his house foreclosed and lived in a homeless shelter for two weeks...He said that he tried to call the pastors and they would not even call back, this is after he decided to give his life to god....If you read through my posts, you will see that I am the one who gave him the deposit and first month rent to move into an apartment because I have known this guy for so long and I hated seeing him in such a situation....It was heartbreaking when I picked him up from the homeless shelters, almost made me tear up....But where were the pastors to these churches that he had dedicated his life to, apparently they were out having affairs.... You theists need to get real. You are some of the fakest people alive..At least us atheists don't have to hide behind a screen so as to look good to the public...We admit our flaws because we are human and we are okay with it. That's why I am calling the bluff on you and your no action god....Why can't your god just give us that cure for cancer right now? Do we have to solve puzzles and wrack our brains trying to figure out the periodic table for ages while he can give us the answer in 2 seconds?..Why can't he just make it rain and rain and help people in starving areas get sufficient food and stop the starving? How can he just sit on his lazy ass and watch innocent Toddlers and kids starve to death/ Doesn't he have a conscience? How does he just sit down and watch these kids die because they lack something as basic as food????And yet he can give them all the food they need with a snap of his fingers, right? What is he doing up there that is soooooo important that he does not have time to stop the kids from starving to death? You god does not exist and if he does, he is as useless and his scadalous pastors....Am out.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/13/2011 Posts: 284 Location: Nairobi
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@ ADMIN,
Kindly do smthing bout this thread, it has deviated from its original theme and degenerated into an offending exchange that infringes on some fundamental rights.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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Gadaffi wrote:@ ADMIN,
Kindly do smthing bout this thread, it has deviated from its original theme and degenerated into an offending exchange that infringes on some fundamental rights. That confirms what we all know. Theists fear truth while sharing logical ideas. They want others to conform to ideas which even themselves can't explain conclusively . I want them to know religion is like hard drugs eg heroine. Addict yourself , it becomes impossible to think independently . work to prosper
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/13/2011 Posts: 284 Location: Nairobi
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@tokyo
my issue is wit th statements that hamburger is expressin which have gone overboard and r just insults. I do nt take issue wit him believin or nt believin. I aslo do nt go around abusing pple of different believes or their gods jus cz i simply do nt profess th same or lack of it. We sld b tolerant wit other pples religion or lack of it.
Th statements by hamburger lack tolerance, are abusive n amt to hate speech n if put in a political context wld lead to violence
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Before you kill each other about religion, consider other ancient beliefs that have existed b4 there was Christianity and Islam and questions that are emerging now over the issue. Like forexample, who was the architect behind the pyramids? given that they were built in an era where technology was almost none existent, how were the Egyptians able to align them with the stars. The drawings of what the ancient man refered to God in Sumaria Egypt and Australia are almost similar. Again why do we face up when we are referring to God. Open your minds people "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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 Im confused... Here iam an atheist. I believe there is no God... Accross the road are some theists who believe there is a God. Suddenly a meteorite smashes into a nearby building destroying it completely and killing some people. I start jumping up and down shouting and cursing asking why why why didnt the God you theists believe in stop that?? Why did he let it happen... whyyyyy!!! bo hoooo hhooooooo.... ooohh whyyyyy!!!! Am i still an atheist?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Gadaffi wrote:@ ADMIN,
Kindly do smthing bout this thread, it has deviated from its original theme and degenerated into an offending exchange that infringes on some fundamental rights. There is a difference between insults and telling it like it is...I haven't spewed any insults at anybody, you theists just don't want to hear the truth..The truth hurts and that's why it feels like an insult to you...You are so addicted to your religions and gods that you can't think independently....Anything that is said against this god of yours amounts to hate speech to you? Give me a break.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Gadaffi wrote:@tokyo
my issue is wit th statements that hamburger is expressin which have gone overboard and r just insults. I do nt take issue wit him believin or nt believin. I aslo do nt go around abusing pple of different believes or their gods jus cz i simply do nt profess th same or lack of it. We sld b tolerant wit other pples religion or lack of it.
Th statements by hamburger lack tolerance, are abusive n amt to hate speech n if put in a political context wld lead to violence You keep throwing around words like violence and wonder why religions are eternally at war with each other....Because of people like you that can't have a religious discourse without resorting to violence....Only theists think violently, anything against their gods and it's a war....And you wonder why we will never have world peace, it's because of theists like you and this kind of thinking...That anybody that speaks against your god deserves violence....Give me a break, violence over what??....Only small minds resort to violence when they can't handle losing a debate....Why again would this talk lead to violence? You theists and your violence....Al qaeda, al shabaab, catholics and protestants in Northern Ireland, Muslims and Christians in Nigeria (actually, all over the world), Jews and Palestinians....What's the common denominator in all these people that are killing each other everyday???? You got it......Religions and non-existent gods....... [/b] On a side note, these pastors are soon going to fleece theists of everything they have.....They are taking theists to the cleaners at an alarming rate...Now we have pastors colluding with street workers to perform "miracles" so as to extort more money from gullible theists...I feel sorry for you people of god. I honestly do and that's why am trying to make people open their eyes here.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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Ha ha ha..... Have a question for Any theist in the house; Why is all the major violences associated with religion.???? @Hamburglar - you might get elephantiasis . "shoti" pastor in cabanas is angry. work to prosper
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Tokyo wrote:Ha ha ha.....
Have a question for Any theist in the house;
Why is all the major violences associated with religion.????
@Hamburglar - you might get elephantiasis . "shoti" pastor in cabanas is angry. Tokyo, the pastor might make my mouth crooked like the one of that street worker..lol....That might be worse than elephantiasis....Why are these pastors so inhumane anyway?? They are always stealing from people who don't even have enough money to spare in the first place and people who completely believe in them to help them out of their problems... It's really heartbreaking to see innocent people get victimized like this...That's the worst kind of betrayal, for a desperate person to come to these pastors with all the hope in the world that the pastor will help them out of their difficult situations, only for these pastors to steal their hard-earned money perfoming shady "miracles" and compunding their problems...Just very upsetting what these pastors do to gullible theists.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/9/2006 Posts: 1,502
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Pastor Bishop Dr Margaret wanjiru got 3 NHC houses. Her god did answer her prayers. work to prosper
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,220 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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@Humburger and @Tokyo, just know that because you judge, you too shall be judged!If only you choose to love more, maybe somehow, you might as well win over some theists your way. But certainly not the way you are going. Wisdom has to do with speaking/talking less and hearing/listening more. If you get some time out of your busy schedule, i'd suggest you read desiderata(you can google it) and therein, you'll find the answers to your questions! And should you choose to reply to this post, please don't write a lot of stories/literature in bold, just keep plain and simple!It helps! @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:@Humburger and @Tokyo, just know that because you judge, you too shall be judged!If only you choose to love more, maybe somehow, you might as well win over some theists your way. But certainly not the way you are going.
Wisdom has to do with speaking/talking less and hearing/listening more.
If you get some time out of your busy schedule, i'd suggest you read desiderata(you can google it) and therein, you'll find the answers to your questions!
And should you choose to reply to this post, please don't write a lot of stories/literature in bold, just keep plain and simple!It helps! Philanga, I don't need to read anything because I really don't have any questions about my atheism...I am 5000% happy with my way. Like I always say, to each their own....I am not judging anybody, I don't care about how anybody else lives their lives...You theists are the ones killing gay people and telling us atheists that we will burn eternally in hell..So maybe you are the ones that are judging..
The main problem that I have with you religious people is that you are putting my life in danger while you fight each other over non-existent gods....I don't want to be collateral damage over some stupid stuff...I can't even walk the streets of Nairobi without fearing that some psycho will blow shit up because of his religios convictions...You are never going to hear that atheists are in a war with some religion over gods...We are smarter than that...We are not as weak minded, violence is for weak minded people, nothing good ever comes out of violence and that is what atheists are trying to tell you religious people, that your non-existent gods are causing more harm to the world than they are doing good....It's time people stopped the madness and started using logic instead of blind faith....Maybe it's time to look at the pathetic state of the world and ask yourself if there really was a god, is this the way he wants his "children" to live??????
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Wisdom has to do with speaking/talking less and hearing/listening more.
That statement is just cliche....It doesn't make sense....Every adage is meant to provoke your conscience and it's up to you to figure out if it makes sense or not...I can dispell a lot of adages that we were taught in primary school when our minds were still immature. Now that I have more experience and the capability to reason, I don't just agree to an adage just because it's what we were taught in primary school...I am wise enough to discount things like "asiyeskiza la mkuu huvunjika mguu" and other silly methalis like that...We all know that wakuus are not always right...You can skiliza wakuu and still end up breaking the proverbial mguu, or two....I automatically believed all these methalis in primo, but not now that am an adult, I question things before I let myself believe...I am not an easy sell, and that's why I am an atheist, I refuse to buy into this god of theists because I question his existence....So, back to your point, wisdom is wisdom, you either have it or you don't, it doesn't have to do with speaking/talking less and hearing/listening more, you can hear/listen more and still never find wisdom....
Some things like wisdom are inherent in some people, so listening more and talking less is just a cliche that you are using blindly.....I can talk all day, that doesn't mean that an idiot who is listening all day is wiser than I am...It's all relative...Stop buying into these old cliches, ask questions, question the validity of the adage.....Don't just fall for words because they sound intelligent and sexy. That's how people get conned by these smooth talking snake oil scambugs who are equipped with a gift of garb (Pastors ring a bell?)....People are conned by falling for sexy cliches like what you just quoted above. Wisdom is wisdom, you either have it or you don't speaking less, hearing more is hogwash, will not determine how wise or unwise you end up. You can have 50 wise men talk to a nitwit everyday for a full year and the nitwit will still remain a nitwit at the end of the day...Wisdom or the lack thereof comes from within.
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Why is this thread still running? Of course, Safcom is trusted more than the church... millions trust that by sending an M-PESA message to their friends, that it will translate to handing money over to them. Contrast this with 'Pastor' Michael Njoroge of the shoti moja fame.. what are we still discussing?
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Now this is becoming ridiculous, I dont like half truths. So far you have attributed everything good to atheism and everything bad to theism. According to you, the advances in science and medicine are attributed to atheists!!! You and I both know thats a lie. You are constantly blaming God for actions of man, I will again let you know that there is a big ddifference between God and religion, blaming actions of pastors on God is very far fetched. It is ok to believe what you believe in, but dont make a mockery of what others believe in. You said "we are not weak minded, violence is for weak minded people" I will have you know that Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, Georges Clemenceau, Mussolini, Jose Gaspar Rodriguez de Francia were all atheists source http://en.wikipedia.org/...politics_and_law#Africa Pride comes before a fall, the earth was here years before you got here and it will be here years after, so to think you have all the answers figured out is not wisdom. I will chance to say that George Bush is an undercover atheist, your logic that atheists dont condone violence is not true.
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