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Does Prayer Work?
seppuku
#1 Posted : Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:48:36 PM
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Religion is a highly emotive subject for the vast majority of people. We are conditioned not to question its tenets and to accept its doctrine, customs and rituals in totality. Skepticism - and even plain horse sense - is frowned upon and dismissed with statements such as; "The wisdom of man amounts to the foolishness of God".Dissenters are often threatened with dire consequences.

Still, many people get to a point in their lives where doubt lingers. Some groups encourage their members to be studious or even ask God himself for answers. But sometimes the questions are so fundamental that the the doubting person cannot even assume, for instance, that God is available for direct quizzing via prayer. One such question is, does prayer work?

To give my question some context, let me disclose right here and now that I consider myself agnostic to religion. Agnosticism, in summary, is religious fence sitting. It is, to quote my WordWeb dictionary "a religious orientation of doubt; a denial of ultimate knowledge of the existence of God". But I believe the diligent agnostic must endeavor to examine whatever shreds of evidence he finds along the way in order to either reinforce his belief or climb down from the fence and join either the theist or the atheist on the ground.

Many claims of prayers that worked abound across both historical and contemporary life. What is not discussed as much is prayers that didn't work. Even less debated is the question of whether or not prayer work at all.

While scouring the internet for these often under-examined questions, I came across two different articles that seek to investigate reasons people may believe prayer works while indeed it one can't be too sure. Granted they are biased towards the notion that prayer does not work, I nevertheless hope that the great minds here on Wazua can share their own reactions, thoughts and experiences on the matter.
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kenyanbeef
#2 Posted : Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:16:52 PM
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There is no answer to your question as these are matters of faith rather than factual evidence. Depending on what you believe, then that is your truth.
Personally, I believe in good and evil, and lean towards Albert Einstein's statement.. 'I am convinced that a spirit vastly superior to that of man is manifest in the laws of the Universe...' Otherwise how did we (the entire universe) come to be? And what's the essence of it all?
You could also argue the Law of attraction. If you want something (so you are praying for it), the universe will conspire to give it to u... You just need to consistently imagine it n believe it... Its worked for me but I can't claim its the law at work, it could be a simple coincidence else I'd have everything... The law appeals to me though.
essyk
#3 Posted : Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:36:23 PM
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Yes it does from a believer's point of view.
As one I believe 'The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
I have an agnostic friend and another atheist and we are ever debating. I dont know which is better.
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Many claims of prayers that worked abound across both historical and contemporary life. What is not discussed as much is prayers that didn't work. Even less debated is the question of whether or not prayer work at all.


You know there are 3 answers to prayer;
1. Yes
2. No
3. Wait

Each prayer made by a righteous man must be in line with the word of God.
If it goes unanswered there are 2 possibilities.
@ it's not in line with the word
@ it's wait.It could be a right prayer made at the wrong time/prematurely. Here's where patience is tested.
Lastly a no answer means it goes against the word kabisa.Total contradiction bordering on witchcraft or madness like njoros.
God ignores such.

Do agnostics pray or they just live!



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kenmac
#4 Posted : Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:05:31 PM
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yes prayers do work.
Prayers precondition the mind and shape our behaviuor to influence our choices and actions towards attaining what we pray for.
whether you beleive in cows or coconuts, migunas is for you to sort out. But PRAYERS WORK...I have had several answered.
......Ecclesiastes
Tokyo
#5 Posted : Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:01:09 AM
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Prayers don't work.
Simple experiment ; Lock yourself inside the bedroom alone and pray 7 days continuously .
work to prosper
dnn
#6 Posted : Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:52:40 AM
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It does big time...science has also demonstrated 'therapy' of body/mind in prayer..

@ Tokyo-what do u mean by experiment, what's the design? What do these have to do with it?

1. Locking urself.
2. In a room
3. 7 days, have to do with it.
Tokyo
#7 Posted : Sunday, July 22, 2012 3:51:56 PM
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dnn wrote:
It does big time...science has also demonstrated 'therapy' of body/mind in prayer..

@ Tokyo-what do u mean by experiment, what's the design? What do these have to do with it?

1. Locking urself.
2. In a room
3. 7 days, have to do with it.


The poster wants to know if prayer works. or what was the question.??smile
work to prosper
seppuku
#8 Posted : Sunday, July 22, 2012 6:15:29 PM
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I am not sure you guys read the articles I linked to. I think they raise very some thought provoking questions about the issue at hand. In case the links under the words "two" and "different" in my initial post were lost on you, here you go:

http://www.mindofbang.com/?p=49

and

http://othersidereflecti...think-prayer-works.html

Sample this excerpt, for instance

Sampling bias: Believers are biased in selecting what they will pray for: they usually pray for things that are likely to happen anyway. They might pray for it not to rain during the few hours that an outdoor party or sporting event takes place. If it doesn't rain, they will interpret this as an answered prayer — even if rain was unlikely during that particular interval. On the other hand, if a family member's legs are amputated following an accident, even fervent believers probably wouldn't pray for those limbs to miraculously grow back. By limiting their prayers in this way, believers tend to get what they expect by purely ordinary means."
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luttz
#9 Posted : Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:17:04 PM
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Yes, prayers to work. Its either yes, no or wait. regardless of the answer, we should not stop praying. Even thanking God is a prayer.
"You've never lived until you've almost died; for those who have fought for it, life has a flavour the protected will never know."
murchr
#10 Posted : Sunday, July 22, 2012 11:54:08 PM
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Prayers do work as long as there is FAITH. You can be a christian, muslim hindu etc but on with faith and a strong one for that matter then you will get what you want. That is what the book/documentary sought to tell us.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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