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CIC by yaserbigchair
Okonkwo
#31 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 12:58:29 PM
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Kenya RE is trading at 0.62x NAV while Pan Africa trades at 1.6x NAV (even after the recent rally). Jubilee trades at 1.4x NAV. Kenya RE has more properties than CIC will ever have, have a more secure business- compulsory cessions, Jubilee is Jubilee while Pan Africa is the largest life business - what you want to be buying. SO how do you justify a multiple of 1.9x NAV for a newly listed insurance company? Price to Earnings multiple for insurers is misleading, they can sell shares or property and book profit. You look at the Book multiples which is what you are buying.


@Kausha
How are you getting CIC NAV to be 1.9x
You are dividing what over what (use 2011 financials)

heri
#32 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:19:00 PM
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anyone please share the demand and supply for CIC currently please
PKoli
#33 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:31:26 PM
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heri wrote:
anyone please share the demand and supply for CIC currently please


No demand against supply of 3M shares
guru267
#34 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:15:03 PM
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heri wrote:
anyone please share the demand and supply for CIC currently please


Supply of 2million shares of @ 4.75.. No demand
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
bartum
#35 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:38:37 PM
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heri wrote:
anyone please share the demand and supply for CIC currently please

demand now 4.6m and supply 4.4m,i dont who has arrived with a bung
Kausha
#36 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:16:21 PM
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Total shareholders funds of 2011 divided by the 2.2 billion shares listed!
Kausha
#37 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:18:55 PM
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Actually sorry 2.2B shares multiply by 3.50 to get 7B+. Divide this by the total shareholders funds. So obviously at 4.75, it's even worse.
Hunderwear
#38 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:21:45 PM
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bartum wrote:
heri wrote:
anyone please share the demand and supply for CIC currently please

demand now 4.6m and supply 4.4m,i dont who has arrived with a bung

AT WHAT PRICE?
heri
#39 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 4:09:02 PM
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what is the price at the demand level of 4.6m
PKoli
#40 Posted : Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:23:42 PM
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heri wrote:
what is the price at the demand level of 4.6m


I was not able to see this volume, but given the huge volume, the VWAP should be been contributed mainly by this block. I guess it was around 4.8.
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