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Experts advise Kenya to put cap on family size.. Its not China!
Ms Mkenya
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:49:33 AM
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This story is in the Standard today

http://www.standardmedia...family-size,-state-told

....above all, to stand.
Impunity
#2 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:18:21 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
This story is in the Standard today

http://www.standardmedia...family-size,-state-told



I vouch for it!
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King G
#3 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 2:37:06 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Ms Mkenya wrote:
This story is in the Standard today

http://www.standardmedia...family-size,-state-told



I vouch for it!


Wacha tuzaane, we wont be there to see the explosion!
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#4 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 3:29:00 PM
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Oh no. In china they paid a woman $11000 (sh 920,000) to abort a 7-month old pregnancy to enforce a one-child policy!!!

Very painfull, unfair for the unborn and difficult it must have been for the couple!!!

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AlphDoti
#5 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 5:15:55 PM
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"what the country is producing will be all consumed... unless we reduce the population growth"

These guys want us to believe this, 'yaani' seriously!!!

There's poor distribution of wealth among the population as a result of Capitalism where less than 10% of us own more than 90% of wealth!!

What are we, copy-cats? Are we now aping this fading family tabias of the West? Wazuans, did you know that only 1 in every 9 families in Western civilization eat breakfast or dinner together?

Because breakfast and dinner is place where family mother and father usually impart their values, where they are able to analyze, evaluate and interact with their children with some quality time.

So if they are not able to eat breakfast together, and they don't eat dinner together, this means that breakfast and dinner table have been replaced by McDonalds, BugerKings and PizzaGardens.

That's progress for them? Let them have it their own way. They are too busy chasing the world and cannot 'afford' (read 'time') more than one mongrel! Shame on you
murchr
#6 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 5:36:34 PM
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Consider this: would you rather have the Japan problem? Japan’s population has peaked and is expected to decline for decades. That means fewer workers paying fewer taxes to support an expanding horde of senior citizens. Social security, pensions and national debt interest payments occupy more than 50 per cent of Japan’s national budget right now, so the government, sooner or later, faces some very awkward decions. Raise taxes sharply? Cut benefits deeply? Plunge deeper into debt? Open the borders to young foreign immigrants to become the working segment? All are highly unpalatable to the Japanese. Japan’s inability to have children may be about to undo it.

Japan is the extreme, but much of the rich world is graying and shrinking. Former French president Jacques Chirac put it forcefully: Europe, he said, would become “a place of old people, living in old houses, ruminating about old ideas.” Countries full of old people lack new thoughts, innovative new practices, and new investment. They also lack a working population.

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AlphDoti
#7 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:12:46 PM
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@murchr I'm not against the idea of having birth control. I'm against the motive behind this.

Even in your post you've contradicted yourself:
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"...fewer workers paying fewer taxes to support an expanding horde of senior citizens.."


Is this not as a result of shrinking young population due to lower birth rate!!

Let's look at pandemic diseases like Aids (no bad intentions for those affected or infected). That itself was created in laboratory. Don't you believe this lie about "green-monkeys".

AIDs is genetically designed disease. No doubt about that. And that's why the body system do not have antibodies to fight against it because it can't identify it.

There's evidence of where the disease was put together and under whose supervision. Shame on those people. Shame on you

But they did it under something called "population 2000". They said that the greatest danger to humanity, the Western civilization in the world today was population. Overpopulation in the world.

They targeted India, Africa, South America and other places in the world to de-populate by any means necessary.

One of the Uncle SAM president wrote his signature on a bill, and AIDs was one of the things that they used to parpetrate their missions.

And since AIDs was launched over 3 million people have died.
murchr
#8 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 6:34:50 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
@murchr I'm not against the idea of having birth control. I'm against the motive behind this.

Even in your post you've contradicted yourself:
Quote:
"...fewer workers paying fewer taxes to support an expanding horde of senior citizens.."


Is this not as a result of shrinking young population due to lower birth rate!!

Let's look at pandemic diseases like Aids (no bad intentions for those affected or infected). That itself was created in laboratory. Don't you believe this lie about "green-monkeys".

AIDs is genetically designed disease. No doubt about that. And that's why the body system do not have antibodies to fight against it because it can't identify it.

There's evidence of where the disease was put together and under whose supervision. Shame on those people. Shame on you

But they did it under something called "population 2000". They said that the greatest danger to humanity, the Western civilization in the world today was population. Overpopulation in the world.

They targeted India, Africa, South America and other places in the world to de-populate by any means necessary.

One of the Uncle SAM president wrote his signature on a bill, and AIDs was one of the things that they used to parpetrate their missions.

And since AIDs was launched over 3 million people have died.


Yes it is hence the reasoning that birth control is not a solution per say
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harrydre
#9 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2012 5:11:58 AM
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it's a great idea especially if u can't take care of the kids. i see people in abject poverty with 6-12 kids and I just can't understand why they have to keep giving birth yet wanaomba serikali! seriously!!
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Tokyo
#10 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:50:24 AM
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Japanese men have neglected their obligation to making children. They need to import men who are enthusiastic, eager to fulfill that noble responsibility
work to prosper
mkeiyd
#11 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:48:05 AM
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If what we do in response is to demonize family planning, then we are doomed.
We can't just have a large population for the heck of it.
If one can raise 5kids,then be it. The target audience for the advise is the kind of people who can't even feed themselves, then go ahead and bring forth 5 or more kids. This puts strain to the gov't/society with a population crying for 'tunaomba serikali" and if the gov't doesn't respond,which mostly it won't, the very unproductive population becomes crooks. The gov't is then forced to beef security, spending the little that was there.

Taking Japan/the west as examples is plain simplistic in poking holes in the noble idea.
People got to plan their families.

After all, failing to plan is a brilliant plan to fail.
kenyanbeef
#12 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2012 10:04:01 AM
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harrydre wrote:
it's a great idea especially if u can't take care of the kids. i see people in abject poverty with 6-12 kids and I just can't understand why they have to keep giving birth yet wanaomba serikali! seriously!!




Agreed. Large families are very often the poor who cannot afford them. The middle n upper class have it together.
kenyanbeef
#13 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2012 10:21:13 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Quote:
"what the country is producing will be all consumed... unless we reduce the population growth"

These guys want us to believe this, 'yaani' seriously!!!

There's poor distribution of wealth among the population as a result of Capitalism where less than 10% of us own more than 90% of wealth!!

What are we, copy-cats? Are we now aping this fading family tabias of the West? Wazuans, did you know that only 1 in every 9 families in Western civilization eat breakfast or dinner together?

Because breakfast and dinner is place where family mother and father usually impart their values, where they are able to analyze, evaluate and interact with their children with some quality time.

So if they are not able to eat breakfast together, and they don't eat dinner together, this means that breakfast and dinner table have been replaced by McDonalds, BugerKings and PizzaGardens.

That's progress for them? Let them have it their own way. They are too busy chasing the world and cannot 'afford' (read 'time') more than one mongrel! Shame on you


Poor distribution of wealth? I'd imagine if you found yourself on the poverty side you would want to keep to a min the no of mouths to feed. Its about improving the quality of life for your children. This is a personal choice but as usual, Kenya is not short of disfunctions to place blame on. Kenyans need to take responsibility for the choices they make. You cannot fill your shack to the brim then say you cannot afford basic necessities because wealth was not distributed your way. Resources anywhere are limited. So you must limit their usage.
essyk
#14 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2012 10:53:50 AM
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harrydre wrote:
it's a great idea especially if u can't take care of the kids. i see people in abject poverty with 6-12 kids and I just can't understand why they have to keep giving birth yet wanaomba serikali! seriously!!

Well me thinks that all these thing are intertwined.

-What makes one a poor couple?
-What are the effects of poverty in a family?
Several but one I will mention is lack of exposure/global mentality due to lack of finance,facilities etc meaning that one is trapped in their circle of cultural beliefs.
They say if u dn't taste other people's food you would think ur mum is the best cook.
Sorry to bust the bubble she is not.
Why we say it's the best is cz the food is mixed with the best ingredient called love so even it it's boiled njahi with no salt, it tastes better than what Chef Ramsey cooks.

That aside,Some cultures we cling on to hinder progress by encouraging women to breed like rats.
Long ago it was okay because we didnt have the rural urban migration we have now.Basic economic activities revolved around the home and so every child was kept busy being productive even from an early age. Compare that to now.

Other cultures insist that a woman must give birth to all male and female relatives on both side of the divide for the purpose of naming and continuation of family line.

Some cultures value boys more than girls so a woman keeps getting impregnanted every year in search of a boy.The result? A football team with no referee or field.

Other cultures measure wealth in terms of family size.The more kids the richer even if they can barely afford a bed.

Some men do not believe in family planning at all.

See how these backward cutural believes hinder progress? They increase poverty by bringing neglected kids into the society who in turn become a burden to the tax payer cz of strained and stretched resources.

So instead of just 'advising'cz God know we are not a hearing nation but an action one.
People like practical things not theory.
They need to be shown practical ways of create wealth and they will be too busy to breed anyhow.

Then these people who like throwing ideas had better know in Africa they have an ogre called Culture to deal with first.

Breaking cultural beliefs and embracing new ones for the sake of development must be the biggest challenge of all times.
I don't know how they can convince some communities that many children is not wealth when these communities sire kids with the sole purpose of taking care of animal herds and 'protect the family'from enemies.
What other options are u giving them?

How do u convince people with the mentality of late Akuku Danger that having many kids in this day and era is not fashionable?

My question now.How comes the very rich and Famous have no more than of 2-3 kids?





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