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CBK MPC Meet!!!
mwekez@ji
#181 Posted : Sunday, July 08, 2012 10:03:42 PM
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PKoli wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
the deal on Friday, July 06, 2012 4:11:38 PM wrote:
Just in: BBK have reduced their base lending rate by 1.5% to 21%


http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke...6/-/ch3447z/-/index.html

... and may all the other banks follow suit


They soon will. KCB might follow BBK.


Some banks have, however, pointed out that a sudden drop may not be possible as they are still holding expensive wholesale fixed deposits.

They should just be named tuzijue
mwekez@ji
#182 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2012 9:20:26 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
PKoli wrote:
mwekez@ji wrote:
the deal on Friday, July 06, 2012 4:11:38 PM wrote:
Just in: BBK have reduced their base lending rate by 1.5% to 21%


http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke...6/-/ch3447z/-/index.html

... and may all the other banks follow suit


They soon will. KCB might follow BBK.


Some banks have, however, pointed out that a sudden drop may not be possible as they are still holding expensive wholesale fixed deposits.

They should just be named tuzijue


Bank of Baroda has led the Tier II banks by reducing their base rate to 21%
youcan'tstopusnow
#183 Posted : Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:16:47 PM
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CFC Stanbic Bank has
become the third bank to
react to the lowering of
Central Bank Rate (CBR) by dropping its base lending price by 1.5 percentage points as it seeks to grow its loan book.
The bank has announced
that its base rate will drop to 22.5 per cent from 24 per cent from August 11 in what is set to pile pressure on other lenders to follow suit.
http://www.businessdaily...0/-/5okoai/-/index.html
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
ralp_mutu
#184 Posted : Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:42:56 PM
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Cfc 22.5%
BBK 21.5%
BoB 21.5%

Aiii yawa!!!!
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hisah
#185 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:03:52 AM
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ralp_mutu wrote:
Cfc 22.5%
BBK 21.5%
BoB 21.5%

Aiii yawa!!!!

How is mwananchi surviving with such horrendous lending rates?! Clearly the Q2 2012 GDP figure will be below 3%. CBK needs to cut CBR again by 300 - 400bps to inject liquidity in the squeaking econ. With elections coming soon and a huge budget, stimulus is a must.
KE econ outlook looks dim for now, but I can see a sizable reversal from 2013. I'm banking on CBR crashing down to 10% and below, peaceful elections and a global rescue of euroland in Q4 2012 or Q1 2013. And finally the announcement of commercial oil by Tullow. In 2013 - 2015 the other onshore & offshore players will have announcements too both for KE & EA region. The potential for more than 10B barrels is likely. I foresee bank buyouts or mergers to shore up capital to fund oil money. REITs will follow suit as well as insurance. Retail shops setups & mergers or buyouts as well.

So the NSE will likely surpass 6161 by Q1 2014, but it could come earlier! If CMA gets it right with REITs & futures market, they'll be able to attract more hot money. Many will not be able to compete with that bid power!
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
mwekez@ji
#186 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 9:57:28 AM
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hisah wrote:


....

So the NSE will likely surpass 6161 by Q1 2014, but it could come earlier! If CMA gets it right with REITs & futures market, they'll be able to attract more hot money. Many will not be able to compete with that bid power!


That has put a smile on many faces smile

and this:

CBK study shows jump in optimism on economic growth

http://www.businessdailyafrica....46/-/3qckvi/-/index.html

and this one too:

Banks pledge to cut rates in August

http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/busi...-to-cut-rates-in-august/
GenghisCapitalLtd
#187 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 10:59:05 AM

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Hisah I do agree with you on the LT aspect as well as the lending rates cut by the CB's is not as expected. Those rates still too high thus slow if any absorption by the gen public...I think the MPC thought this out carefully to ensure no surge in liquidity.I'm of the view that 12% should be ideal with upcoming expected liquidity from election spending with a complete reversal in 2013...very bullish about that though contingent on election outcome and general sentiment.
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the deal
#188 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:21:25 AM
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If the two ICC suspects run for presidency next year, the nse will tank just like the egypt markets last year.
hisah
#189 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:56:58 AM
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the deal wrote:
If the two ICC suspects run for presidency next year, the nse will tank just like the egypt markets last year.

Well that could spook things... But I wouldn't mind another fat-tail situation where everything is heavily discounted thus doubling or tripling returns on the rebound.

Have you seen what IMF has said about Libya? Read below...

http://af.reuters.com/ar...s/idAFJOE86A00H20120711

$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#190 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 12:00:46 PM
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GenghisCapitalLtd wrote:
Hisah I do agree with you on the LT aspect as well as the lending rates cut by the CB's is not as expected. Those rates still too high thus slow if any absorption by the gen public...I think the MPC thought this out carefully to ensure no surge in liquidity.I'm of the view that 12% should be ideal with upcoming expected liquidity from election spending with a complete reversal in 2013...very bullish about that though contingent on election outcome and general sentiment.

For now they can only cut CBR slowly, but the ideal scenario should be below 10% and preferably below 6% which is achievable by Q4 2013 assuming all goes well with elections and euro crisis.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
kyt
#191 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 1:35:29 PM
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hisah wrote:
GenghisCapitalLtd wrote:
Hisah I do agree with you on the LT aspect as well as the lending rates cut by the CB's is not as expected. Those rates still too high thus slow if any absorption by the gen public...I think the MPC thought this out carefully to ensure no surge in liquidity.I'm of the view that 12% should be ideal with upcoming expected liquidity from election spending with a complete reversal in 2013...very bullish about that though contingent on election outcome and general sentiment.

For now they can only cut CBR slowly, but the ideal scenario should be below 10% and preferably below 6% which is achievable by Q4 2013 assuming all goes well with elections and euro crisis.

that is encouraging, our only worry will be the import bill, particularly oil
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youcan'tstopusnow
#192 Posted : Thursday, July 12, 2012 11:37:18 PM
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“With the impending General Election, high inflation and interest rates regime, the
Fund’s investments
performance, especially at the Nairobi Securities
Exchange, may be adversely affected,” NSSF said in a statement.
http://www.businessdaily...0/-/3v69v6/-/index.html

SCBK to cut base rate by 1.5 percent
http://www.businessdaily...4/-/f9pudc/-/index.html
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Kausha
#193 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2012 9:34:27 AM
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Too optimistic. Uganda has confirmed oil but look at the USE and the economy in general. Oil only becomes a factor once the upstream is in full motion.

There is a major dislocation in the economy. The truth is that our growth is very consumption driven and in the absence of production sectors we can't grow much. To achieve 6% growth you have to loosen monetary policy which in turn results in overheating. China or India can grow at 10% for 3 years in row without overheating. But that even has a chink because China for instance relies on Exports. It's a fact our present economy can't grow at 6%+ for 3 years in a row without massive inflation coming up.
PKoli
#194 Posted : Friday, July 13, 2012 1:22:32 PM
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Kausha wrote:
Too optimistic. Uganda has confirmed oil but look at the USE and the economy in general. Oil only becomes a factor once the upstream is in full motion.

There is a major dislocation in the economy. The truth is that our growth is very consumption driven and in the absence of production sectors we can't grow much. To achieve 6% growth you have to loosen monetary policy which in turn results in overheating. China or India can grow at 10% for 3 years in row without overheating. But that even has a chink because China for instance relies on Exports. It's a fact our present economy can't grow at 6%+ for 3 years in a row without massive inflation coming up.


The Ugandan case was a little pecular. There were the concerns of oil quality, and ofcourse the issue of where the oil was going to be refined. Then some prospective company was embroilled in some tax/royality wars with the Ug government. I think the reason why optimism has not reached that high is because the actual reserves have not been firmed up. Let us wait for complete feasibility study and our country will be Ghana in the eyes of investors.
Kausha
#195 Posted : Monday, July 16, 2012 2:24:09 PM
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There is nothing peculiar about Uganda's oil. The quality is good enough, the waxy discussion is largely a distortion of lazy journos. It's straight forward the refinery had to be at lake albert, the challenge was the funding for the refinery and the options. Just like airliners it takes + 4 years to get a proper refinery cast from scratch. Uganda didn't want to wait for that long for the fruits of their oil.

Bear in mind there are only 2B barrels in west uganda but there is 12B+ barrels in North east Uganda, same anza rock that runs through Turkana. The 12B+ is not talked much about yet..again lazy journos would have found this out. The embroilment was a disputed capital gains tax matter which has since been resolved between Heritage/Tullow and Uganda govt. which has allowed CNOOC and total to jointly take up 67.777% in Tullow's uganda oil blocks.

Uganda's optimism faded when they sobbered up and realized it will take long before the oil is refined and sold. We will probably go through the same. Ghana is more appealing in addition to the oil because of good governance and proximity to Nigeria which is the diamond in the rough of Africa. We can't sort out our corruption yet, unga ndio hiyo, somalia etc...we are not yet there!
youcan'tstopusnow
#196 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:23:19 PM
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Interest rate cut spoils the party for large depositors
A survey of interest rates
showed that banks are now paying large depositors interest of between 13 and
16 per cent compared to an average of 24 per cent in March.
http://www.businessdaily.../-/pxpvfdz/-/index.html
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Cde Monomotapa
#197 Posted : Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:55:44 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Interest rate cut spoils the party for large depositors
A survey of interest rates
showed that banks are now paying large depositors interest of between 13 and
16 per cent compared to an average of 24 per cent in March.
http://www.businessdaily.../-/pxpvfdz/-/index.html

What KCB parted with Q1 was a shocker! Eish...
youcan'tstopusnow
#198 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2012 6:36:59 PM
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Cde Monomotapa
#199 Posted : Sunday, August 12, 2012 11:38:16 PM
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^20% m-o-m growth! SMH, yawa...
hisah
#200 Posted : Monday, August 13, 2012 3:33:21 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
^20% m-o-m growth! SMH, yawa...

Gosh! That money supply expansion can only be rivalled by an amoeba mutation process! It is a wonder KES didn't turn into loo paper!
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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