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No Justice Without Robust and Unbiased Evidence
villageseer
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:09:31 PM
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It's interesting to read the critical views of some of FOREIGN Journalists and Commentators on issued pertaining to the work of International Criminal Court. Check this link http://www.legalbrief.co...?story=20120703095944559
mkonomtupu
#2 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 2:43:01 PM
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Read the full article in the guardian here is one comment that delivers some home truths

Beckow on 28 June 2012

"In the eyes of many objective people, the ICC is merely a Western liberal busy-body service delivering geopolitical benefits as needed and also well-paid jobs for the "humanitarians" who would otherwise be almost completely unemployable.

In that way it has a lot in common with the physical colonialism West used to engage in that was also all about geopolitical benefits and jobs for the adventurers and surplus population at home. But this time is easier, no jungles or danger, just empty pontificating and feeling superior to the "savages" in good Dutch restaurants. The impulse is the same.

If the West was serious about a concept like ICC, they would start with themselves, with their endless bombing campaigns, their opportunistic invasions and regime changes, with the endless "collateral" victims. Thet was never going to happen. So they just chase villains in far away countries, or sometimes demonize enemies or outsiders. All to feel better about themselves. This is not justice, this is simply silly self-therapy combined with profitable sinecures."
quicksand
#3 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 3:38:41 PM
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Be that as it may there are 2 important facts that we shouldn't forget.
1. We took our PEV case to the ICC, they didn't come looking for it
2. We cannot expect a fair trial internally. Dr Willy is doing a nice job, but there is a looooong slog ahead of him.
Whatever misguided principles that led to the birth of the ICC, its perceived weaknesses and all this other bunk being thrown at it, one thing is clear; You cannot intimidate or influence the judicial officers serving in that court. It is a better process (and prospect) than what we have currently within our borders.
You could even look at it like an arrogant kindness by the West - "you can't try your despots and psychopathic murderers, we'll try them for you". Its shaking things up, you change or change is kicked down your throat.
So, let the proceedings proceed.
mkeiyd
#4 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 4:32:09 PM
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quicksand wrote:
Be that as it may there are 2 important facts that we shouldn't forget.
1. We took our PEV case to the ICC, they didn't come looking for it
2. We cannot expect a fair trial internally. Dr Willy is doing a nice job, but there is a looooong slog ahead of him.
Whatever misguided principles that led to the birth of the ICC, its perceived weaknesses and all this other bunk being thrown at it, one thing is clear; You cannot intimidate or influence the judicial officers serving in that court. It is a better process (and prospect) than what we have currently within our borders.
You could even look at it like an arrogant kindness by the West - "you can't try your despots and psychopathic murderers, we'll try them for you". Its shaking things up, you change or change is kicked down your throat.
So, let the proceedings proceed.

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aemathenge
#5 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2012 6:17:14 PM
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quicksand wrote:
Be that as it may there are 2 important facts that we shouldn't forget.
1. We took our PEV case to the ICC, they didn't come looking for it
2. We cannot expect a fair trial internally. Dr Willy is doing a nice job, but there is a looooong slog ahead of him.
Whatever misguided principles that led to the birth of the ICC, its perceived weaknesses and all this other bunk being thrown at it, one thing is clear; You cannot intimidate or influence the judicial officers serving in that court. It is a better process (and prospect) than what we have currently within our borders.
You could even look at it like an arrogant kindness by the West - "you can't try your despots and psychopathic murderers, we'll try them for you". Its shaking things up, you change or change is kicked down your throat.
So, let the proceedings proceed.


Hear, hear.

Let the proceedings, indeed, proceed.
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