@wendz

in the middle east for just being black you are immediately designated a slave status also. So I don't think we should be using middle east standards here.

I sympathize with middle class Kenyans especially girls going to the middle east to make a living only for them to be enslaved and raped - we've seen so many of these kind on the newspapers trying to come back home but unable to.

Wahenga walisema,pili-pili usiyoila,inakuwashiani?

@ Mali et al,,

Books are derived from thoughts,ideas,choices,beliefs and research they are all written for a purpose one of em being to enrich the author,,,,having said that,we all read books written by other people ancient or otherwise,,,,,,,,,what makes u think that whats written about galileo is the gospel truth..... the bible has stood the test of time n it works for me so before u hail words at me,,,,,quran works for muslims,n other books works for other religions..... what works for u???

so books aside we all have a tendency to go by what we think/feel is right,if egytians lynches gay people then ask ur self why? (intolerant or whatever u would like to call them they simply dont condorn it). cheers to Egypt by the way...... interesting enough Egyptians are mostly arabs so save me the african mind control crap.....


Its just me
whatever choice you make in life make sure that you can live with it.

@the sage,ati when we opened our eyes they had the land and we had the bible? Man,that line has always tickled me,tragic as it is.



@fundah,do indulge me even as you ridicule me. I've listened to fundies all my life but at some point questioned why they were demanding my unquestioning belief - what did they have to hide? I'll tell you whats common with the stories of those gods and Jesus.



The oldest,most adored object since man could write on cave walls was the sun. Going back tens of thousands of years before the 'birth' of christ,the sun has been worshipped by man. That sequence you see,from birth by a virgin to resurrection,is an astrological sequence.



The star in the East is Sirius,the brightest star in the night sky. On Dec 24,it aligns with the three brightest stars in Orion's belt. These stars are still called today what they were called back then: 'The Three Kings'. These three stars and Sirius when aligned point to where the sun rises on Dec 25th. So in short,the three kings follow the star in the east. Everything in the similarities of the stories is an astrological allegory,borrowed from one religion to the next. I won't go into all of them,but they are explained well in the documentary-movie called Zeitgeist. Do some research even after the movie. Juxtapose this with the real intentions of the people who propagated christianity,chiefly emperor Constantine (more reading,I know - sorry) and you will begin to really understand what christianity has been all about.

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Ericks
the issue here is not what I believe or don't believe. the real issue is - why are you not willing to let other people believe and follow what they wish to believe and follow ?

@ericks - first things first,i am not for lynching.

lakini,the point you have mentioned on books is what i have been trying to bring out.

and @theredpill has been smart enough to avoid my question because he/she knows where any such intellectual discourse will lead.

at the end of the day,you do believe in something; and in 100% of the times,you are not the originator of whatever thing it is you dis/believe in. from darwinism and the big bang theory,to christianity,to the gikuyu and mumbi story. there is not one thing that @theredpill has quoted here that is his/her own research. it is someone else's work.

because when all is said and done,you do believe in something that someone else has said. i can tell you that very few people in this forum if any have ever carbon dated an actual 5 million year old fossil. not that i doubt it but just putting things in context.

by the way,i am not trashing science or belittling exposure to other cultures,something i do appreciate. it is just that if you analyze people that hold certain positions on the basis of being enlightened','well-traveled' -by the way who isn't- and having 'independent thought' it is based on another man's work as their gospel without having ever factually and practically proven if what is written is true. same difference to me.

kwa hivyo tuwache hii pontificating because we have now seen the light and do not believe in christianity,islam,buddhism,hinduism,judaism etc. it is as foreign as they come.

Katika Jangwa la Jangili ndipo Pwagu hupata Pwaguzi.

@malimingi,allow me to add to your last post on bible tampering by men who had their own agendas:



Did you know that the bible had never been taken as absolute truth before Martin Luther? Check this from wikipedia: The Bible was not considered to be the inerrant 'word of god' until it was declared so by Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation. Before that the Catholic Church considered the bible to be one of many sacred texts.



Pray,what were these other texts and what happened to them?

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Smano
It's not a war so the issue of a truce doesn't arise. Am still waiting for gay/lesbians bashers to jusfify why gays/lesbians should be harassed,jailed and killed.

the koran & bible SUPPORTED slavery...

****1) Ephesians 6:4-6 - Slaves,obey your earthly masters with respect and fear,and with sincerity of heart,just as you would obey Christ.
****** 2) mohammed kept slaves!
*******3) arabs/muslims kept slaves & still do in many countries

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB

@Jangwa - ati I was waiting for people such as yourself to sign off? Aren't you giving yourself a bit too much credit? Do you really believe that everyone must believe in something just like that? Do I believe in carbon dating and evolution? You make them sound like a religion. I said they make more sense than religion. Why? Scientists are always ready to revise theories based on emerging evidence,yaani hard facts. Could you say the same for religion? As you had earlier stated that everyone has to believe in something,what do you believe?

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The most IDIOTIC comment was from simonkabz... killing people by destroying the building because of a story? You are an idiot! What's more,Standard Group is just one of many tenants at I&M Bank Building. Some of my friends work in that building. Apart from I&M Bank,there is Mayfair Securities,Safaricom,Manix...
*** If some idiot does anything there & my buddies get hurt... We will hunt you down...
**** Pumbavu!

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB