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CENTUM FY 2012 40% down and no profit warning!
Aguytrying
#51 Posted : Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:50:58 AM
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@hisah. nice one. food for thought for centum
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guru267
#52 Posted : Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:20:46 PM
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guru267 wrote:
For a man who holds an LLB, CPA & a CFA it is unbelievable and unacceptable that he made this error!!!

www.businessdailyafrica....8/-/1wc3g3z/-/index.html

He should receive jail time. Shame on you

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Deuteronomy 4:16
madebe
#53 Posted : Wednesday, June 20, 2012 10:33:40 PM
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Unfortunately the fines will come from the shareholders and not the executives and board members
Rollout
#54 Posted : Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:40:47 PM
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.... If you see a hedged fund or investment management firm reporting a 40% drop believe me it is bigger than that! No manager want to report 15% drop leave alone 40%, most companies keep reserves for the bad times and would have cover the drop by releasing some of its reserves. For a company to drop 40% they have to have a major loss somewhere( trading or legal) or the strategy is not working( selling type writers in computer era). I am not a Centun investor so I have not right to ask questions.
VituVingiSana
#55 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:27:50 AM
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Rollout wrote:
.... If you see a hedged fund or investment management firm reporting a 40% drop believe me it is bigger than that! No manager want to report 15% drop leave alone 40%, most companies keep reserves for the bad times and would have cover the drop by releasing some of its reserves. For a company to drop 40% they have to have a major loss somewhere( trading or legal) or the strategy is not working( selling type writers in computer era). I am not a Centun investor so I have not right to ask questions.
Ask the hard questions!!! PLEASE... Coz if you do not, who will?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
hisah
#56 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:34:50 AM
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Rollout wrote:
.... If you see a hedged fund or investment management firm reporting a 40% drop believe me it is bigger than that! No manager want to report 15% drop leave alone 40%, most companies keep reserves for the bad times and would have cover the drop by releasing some of its reserves. For a company to drop 40% they have to have a major loss somewhere( trading or legal) or the strategy is not working( selling type writers in computer era). I am not a Centun investor so I have not right to ask questions.

What if the reserves couldn't cover for the losses?
The lame excuse about not flagging a profit warning is unacceptable.
And I hope they didn't hedge USDKES @107...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
VituVingiSana
#57 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:07:08 AM
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Apparently... the CMA is going to fine Centum (so is it the shareholders who pay or the directors?)

http://www.businessdaily...8/-/1wc3g3z/-/index.html
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
QW25091985
#58 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:22:17 AM
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[quote=VituVingiSana]Apparently... the CMA is going to fine Centum (so is it the shareholders who pay or the directors?)

http://www.businessdaily.../-/1wc3g3z/-/index.html[/quote]


Now what kind of a question is this ? LOL. ofcourse the money is coming from their accounts !just like any other expense
My 2 cents
#59 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:46:42 PM
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[quote=VituVingiSana]Apparently... the CMA is going to fine Centum (so is it the shareholders who pay or the directors?)

http://www.businessdaily.../-/1wc3g3z/-/index.html[/quote]

The shareholders pay for electing crappy directors..........
Rollout
#60 Posted : Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:28:15 PM
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hisah wrote:
Rollout wrote:
.... If you see a hedged fund or investment management firm reporting a 40% drop believe me it is bigger than that! No manager want to report 15% drop leave alone 40%, most companies keep reserves for the bad times and would have cover the drop by releasing some of its reserves. For a company to drop 40% they have to have a major loss somewhere( trading or legal) or the strategy is not working( selling type writers in computer era). I am not a Centun investor so I have not right to ask questions.

What if the reserves couldn't cover for the losses?
The lame excuse about not flagging a profit warning is unacceptable.
And I hope they didn't hedge USDKES @107...


So thats is the big question and even the bigger question is do they know where it is bleeding? Usually when you have faith that you will have great quarters in the near future you book a topside and offset it later instead of taking a hit that you cannot explain!

The second part of this is that the last time I visited Centum website and went through their portfolios I couldn't help but notice that most of their reported value and gains come from close companies, I mean companies that you might never ever see their performance and from real estate valued by CENTUM or companies paid by centum!
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