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Ksh 1.4 Trillion national budget
eboomerang
#41 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2012 2:41:15 PM
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murchr wrote:
eboomerang wrote:
10 years later we still continue to milk the free primary education line. While I understand the reasoning and the impact it brought about, the interface which is in dire need of expansion is transition from high school to tetiary education. That is the point where we have lots of people who are not equiped with any meaningful life skills in the society.


Were they better of when they never went to sch at all?

Nobody said so, re-read the comment for further clarity.

The point is that we need to move on from that, it's already done we all accepted it was needed. We need to take on the next level of challenges in the education system.

If you saw the figures of how many young people are locked out of college level education, you would perhaps understand why it is difficult to purge the local militant groups such as mungiki etc.
the deal
#42 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2012 3:33:47 PM
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Transcentury is the biggest beneficiary of this budget... one example....they're building a rail way for RVR to ride on...Applause Applause Applause
murchr
#43 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2012 3:42:28 PM
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the deal wrote:
Transcentury is the biggest beneficiary of this budget... one example....they're building a rail way for RVR to ride on...Applause Applause Applause


Rink??? I thot a Russian company is doing that? Source
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Impunity
#44 Posted : Friday, June 15, 2012 5:09:06 PM
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murchr wrote:
the deal wrote:
Transcentury is the biggest beneficiary of this budget... one example....they're building a rail way for RVR to ride on...Applause Applause Applause


Rink??? I thot a Russian company is doing that? Source


Me thought kila infrastructure in Kenya ni Shina?
d'oh!
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2012
#45 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 2:58:11 PM
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Did people notice that VAT on power and basic goods went up from 12% to 16%? This is not good.

BBI will solve it
:)
murchr
#46 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 6:02:33 PM
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Impunity wrote:
murchr wrote:
the deal wrote:
Transcentury is the biggest beneficiary of this budget... one example....they're building a rail way for RVR to ride on...Applause Applause Applause


Rink??? I thot a Russian company is doing that? Source


Me thought kila infrastructure in Kenya ni Shina?
d'oh!


M-shina atatengeneza barabara
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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jerry
#47 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 6:03:37 PM
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2012 wrote:
Did people notice that VAT on power and basic goods went up from 12% to 16%? This is not good.

And PAYE brackets remain unchanged for the employed and Landlords! Tighten ur belt or buy one if u don't have.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
murchr
#48 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 6:05:00 PM
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eboomerang wrote:
murchr wrote:
eboomerang wrote:
10 years later we still continue to milk the free primary education line. While I understand the reasoning and the impact it brought about, the interface which is in dire need of expansion is transition from high school to tetiary education. That is the point where we have lots of people who are not equiped with any meaningful life skills in the society.


Were they better of when they never went to sch at all?

Nobody said so, re-read the comment for further clarity.

The point is that we need to move on from that, it's already done we all accepted it was needed. We need to take on the next level of challenges in the education system.

If you saw the figures of how many young people are locked out of college level education, you would perhaps understand why it is difficult to purge the local militant groups such as mungiki etc.


Have we ever tried to stop and think what that village poly technique can be offering? I ted to think in matters education people always think that they can only make it if they go to a college or Uni.....its time the village polytechnique is given some attention
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Ali Baba
#49 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 6:46:00 PM
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The problem with Transcentury and the railway line is about half of passengers ride on top of the train without paying for it.
murchr
#50 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 9:52:35 PM
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hisah wrote:
GDP growth expected to rise by 5.2% in 2012 - Must be smoking some good sh** this FinMin.



Well.....the world bank agrees with him and places the growth at 5%
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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mwekez@ji
#51 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 10:00:53 PM
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the deal wrote:
Transcentury is the biggest beneficiary of this budget... one example....they're building a rail way for RVR to ride on...Applause Applause Applause


I also read that
kiash
#52 Posted : Monday, June 18, 2012 11:38:43 PM
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How is money for education ministry spent? I remember during my days in primo, we used to have a kasmall library with books that had been bought by parents and through harambees. At the beginning of the year you could get a list of books say 10 and you could return them at the end of the year for those in the class behind you. Ukipoteza, you had to pay a new book. Nowadays the gova gives money every year for books. Why can’t they put in place such a system? Parents should pay some 50% of the tuition fees and gova the rest. I really do not understand why they keep on adding more money for this ministry, before they had been paying teachers, parents should continue providing for food in primo and pay 50% tuition in seco. After all ukizaa you expect play your part. Some people somewhere must be pocketing this money big time!
kenmac
#53 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:26:40 AM
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murchr wrote:
eboomerang wrote:
murchr wrote:
eboomerang wrote:
10 years later we still continue to milk the free primary education line. While I understand the reasoning and the impact it brought about, the interface which is in dire need of expansion is transition from high school to tetiary education. That is the point where we have lots of people who are not equiped with any meaningful life skills in the society.


Were they better of when they never went to sch at all?

Nobody said so, re-read the comment for further clarity.

The point is that we need to move on from that, it's already done we all accepted it was needed. We need to take on the next level of challenges in the education system.

If you saw the figures of how many young people are locked out of college level education, you would perhaps understand why it is difficult to purge the local militant groups such as mungiki etc.


Have we ever tried to stop and think what that village poly technique can be offering? I ted to think in matters education people always think that they can only make it if they go to a college or Uni.....its time the village polytechnique is given some attention




Good point @murchr. Nowadays, everybody thinks thatwithout going to university or college they are failures. Most graduates from colleges and universities want to be managers and supervisors thereby leaving a shortfall for guys to do the technical work. The negation of polytechnics continues to deny our youth vital vocational skills that would otherwise enrich our human resource force.
......Ecclesiastes
hisah
#54 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:37:07 AM
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murchr wrote:
hisah wrote:
GDP growth expected to rise by 5.2% in 2012 - Must be smoking some good sh** this FinMin.



Well.....the world bank agrees with him and places the growth at 5%

WB. Don't tell me you trust the gospel of WB... These institutions should be overhauled at the very least or shutdown for good. Research about their 'apt economical advice' since 1970 to date.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
quicksand
#55 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:59:24 PM
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That 4.7 Billion allocation to settle tax arrears for MPs still irks me greatly ...I hope to God someone moves to court and they rule these allocations illegal .. and KRA send demand letters for tax ...Justice Dr William, please help us poor Kenyans, crucify these bastards!!
YesuWangu
#56 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 2:11:58 PM
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kenmac wrote:
murchr wrote:
eboomerang wrote:
murchr wrote:
eboomerang wrote:
10 years later we still continue to milk the free primary education line. While I understand the reasoning and the impact it brought about, the interface which is in dire need of expansion is transition from high school to tetiary education. That is the point where we have lots of people who are not equiped with any meaningful life skills in the society.


Were they better of when they never went to sch at all?

Nobody said so, re-read the comment for further clarity.

The point is that we need to move on from that, it's already done we all accepted it was needed. We need to take on the next level of challenges in the education system.

If you saw the figures of how many young people are locked out of college level education, you would perhaps understand why it is difficult to purge the local militant groups such as mungiki etc.


Have we ever tried to stop and think what that village poly technique can be offering? I ted to think in matters education people always think that they can only make it if they go to a college or Uni.....its time the village polytechnique is given some attention




Good point @murchr. Nowadays, everybody thinks thatwithout going to university or college they are failures. Most graduates from colleges and universities want to be managers and supervisors thereby leaving a shortfall for guys to do the technical work. The negation of polytechnics continues to deny our youth vital vocational skills that would otherwise enrich our human resource force.


Eboomerang is asking what has been done about expanding tetiary education that incidentally includes the village polytechnics and I add the vocational training centres.
murchr
#57 Posted : Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:07:06 PM
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This is how the education is structured in Kenya


We all want to follow the path on the left yet the path on the right is ignored.
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YesuWangu
#58 Posted : Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:10:59 AM
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murchr wrote:
This is how the education is structured in Kenya

We all want to follow the path on the left yet the path on the right is ignored.


Nice illustration murchr,Applause I was thinking of the path in the middle.
eboomerang
#59 Posted : Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:19:00 PM
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YesuWangu wrote:
murchr wrote:
This is how the education is structured in Kenya

We all want to follow the path on the left yet the path on the right is ignored.


Nice illustration murchr,Applause I was thinking of the path in the middle.


Thanks for the illustration.

Now, the problem in Kenya is that the entire system is not working. It exists only on paper, beyond which no one in the leadership has a clue how to implement this system in practice.

This is a classic case where we Africans just copy and paste models from developed countries and we do not really get to the root of the design to understand the fine details.

Partly, the system is overloaded on the left side due to a lack of vision with the entire education system. I mainly blame the government and leadership for that situation.

Generally, the entire education system has been commercialised and does not serve any particular national interest. We have also used the education system to build social classes within society whereby society looks down upon those who have not gone to university.

The bottleneck at the transition between seconday and tertiary/university has brought about the commercialization aspect -"Universities and colleges" are springing up left right and centre aiming to capture those who are not absorbed in the mainstream universities. All this is happening without a proper plan and vision.

The design of a national education system should be driven by a long term vision of the country. Otherwise it will be extremely challenging to solve the social-economic problems we have.

In this blog post, I paint a bigger picture of how a proper education system can transform a society. Link
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