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Thiong'o
#141 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 11:41:43 AM
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hisah wrote:
Kausha wrote:
The f*** up was from SEC and FB not Morgan Stanley. Scott - the analyst was right in revising his buy recommendation so late in the day. Face book are the conmen here, they filled a revised info memorandum a few days to trading day and thick in the middle of road shows. This info mem had revised revenue forecasts for this and next year. Morgan was simply taking care of their clients which is the right thing to do. SEC should take care of wananchi first and rest of investors thereafter. What should have happened is SEC should have delayed commencement of trading by a few weeks to allow the market digest the information and buy orders to be amended. They kept mum and are now acting like politicians!

Somehow FB set the stock price out of the blues. Really???
Yes, SEC is also to blame as well.



The company had effectively traded for years on opaque second markets where it changed hands at exorbitant prices despite little to no financial information on the company being publicly available. The reports of Facebook's booming valuation on these markets fed the belief that ravenous demand for Facebook was inevitable heading into its IPO.

http://www.fool.com/inve...?source=ihpsitth0000001

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hisah
#142 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 1:17:48 PM
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itz wrote:
everyone is on the other side of FB trade..bearish.options start trading Tuesday and many will be shorting with both hands.I agree facebook is way overpriced but i think the big money will try turn this thing around at about 28-30 for a short squeeze rally back to 40.I traded it last week between 31-33 but will buy n hold this week for the squeeze.

There are short squeezes and there are short squeeze with court cases overhang.
Caution... When I said the goal posts were shifted just before the IPO someone said I was being an idiot smile
Follow Groupon before investing here even as a trader.
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MaichBlack
#143 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 1:40:01 PM
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To all of you who bought into the Facebook IPO:

You just got Zucker punched!!!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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youcan'tstopusnow
#144 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 2:07:41 PM
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"Whatever positive
impression [American
investors] had of the IPO
market and the stock market in general was just torched
to the ground."
-- Mark Cuban on the
Facebook IPO

Wow! Safaricom had this same impact on the Kenyan psyche. It took some time before people touched stocks...
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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hisah
#145 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 2:21:59 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
"Whatever positive
impression [American
investors] had of the IPO
market and the stock market in general was just torched
to the ground."
-- Mark Cuban on the
Facebook IPO

Wow! Safaricom had this same impact on the Kenyan psyche. It took some time before people touched stocks...

That's why I called it an ultimate market top setter esp NASDAQ...
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QW25091985
#146 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 4:26:58 PM
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we should really thank the retail investors who werent cheated into buyin the facebook ipo for not inflating another tech bubble !
this facebook ipo flop is so bad that f1 racing are considering shelving their ipo in Singapore ! wow .
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hisah
#147 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 5:17:24 PM
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QW25091985 wrote:
we should really thank the retail investors who werent cheated into buyin the facebook ipo for not inflating another tech bubble !
this facebook ipo flop is so bad that f1 racing are considering shelving their ipo in Singapore ! wow .

That formula one IPO is a cash out for CVC capitals partners who have been cashing out for a while. At least this one the P/E is around 18-22 unlike that FB P/E of 100?! However, it not a good an IPO to get involved with. Note that one JP Morgue will also be cashing out their stake as well as the estate of the bankrupt Lehman Bros. We know how good the banksters have got at selling shitty deals.

Quote:
Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and UBS were hired to lead the IPO.


http://www.reuters.com/a...o-idUSL4E8GO58220120524


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youcan'tstopusnow
#148 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 6:41:05 PM
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Now they are planning to enter the smartphone marketd'oh!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18234004
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hisah
#149 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 8:44:48 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Now they are planning to enter the smartphone marketd'oh!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18234004

Goal post shifting yet again...

Do they have the muscle (financials and skill) to compete with android let alone Apple's Iphone?
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Drunkard
#150 Posted : Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:57:21 PM
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Are you guys still complaining about facebook IPO, Facebook could as well be on its way to acquiring Opera systems, the shares is already up 26% from the rumors!
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hisah
#151 Posted : Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:10:32 PM
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Drunkard wrote:
Are you guys still complaining about facebook IPO, Facebook could as well be on its way to acquiring Opera systems, the shares is already up 26% from the rumors!

@Drunkard - unless your market feed is from an unearthly exchange, the FB ticker is reading 6%+ down today!? Current FB price is $29.77. In 8 trading days the $30 handle is lost.
Britank.com...
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holycow
#152 Posted : Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:13:06 PM
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Drunkard wrote:
Are you guys still complaining about facebook IPO, Facebook could as well be on its way to acquiring Opera systems, the shares is already up 26% from the rumors!


Really?? It touched an all time low today according to Reuters.
Stock of the world's No. 1 social network briefly skirted a record trough of $30.03 and was down 5.6 percent at $30.12 at midmorning.
Check the link below

http://www.reuters.com/article/...es-idUSBRE84S0VR20120529
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Drunkard
#153 Posted : Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:45:13 PM
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@Hisah and holycow, opera System share, there is no logical sense why an acquirer share price would increase market doesn't work like that!
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#154 Posted : Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:03:24 PM
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Drunkard wrote:
@Hisah and holycow, opera System share, there is no logical sense why an acquirer share price would increase market doesn't work like that!



Let me translate for him, he meant that FB is rumored to be acquiring Opera systems, so the stock price of Opera is up 26%, not FB stock. Im working double time to translate his Spanglish Laughing out loudly though on looking up Opera Systems, Yahoo! search had no such results!! So maybe Opera needs to be translated for me too!!
On a serious note, before you make so much fun of FB, lets not forget just how much cash they have on hand. I think this will turn out to be a Cinderella story....
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QW25091985
#155 Posted : Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:21:30 PM
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hew can opera value itself at over 1 billion dollars ? wow ! what assets does it have ? other than the servers that compress data for mobile ?
just the other day FB buys instagram...

me i think this company (FB)is losing focus
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Drunkard
#156 Posted : Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:15:51 PM
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QW25091985 wrote:
hew can opera value itself at over 1 billion dollars ? wow ! what assets does it have ? other than the servers that compress data for mobile ?
just the other day FB buys instagram...

me i think this company (FB)is losing focus


I guess in your mind, asset means a big building! technology is the greatest of all asset and Opera could have that! Facebook will be a great company! Viva facebook!
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youcan'tstopusnow
#157 Posted : Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:04:40 PM
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''Russia's biggest social
network, VKontakte, has now postponed its stock market launch, fearing a repeat of Facebook's problems.''
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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#158 Posted : Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:34:56 PM
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Drunkard do you have a link for Opera stock? Just curious to see what the company is about, where are they listed? Nasdaq?
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hisah
#159 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8:48:46 AM
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Drunkard wrote:
@Hisah and holycow, opera System share, there is no logical sense why an acquirer share price would increase market doesn't work like that!

I thot u meant FB was up 26%. Until FB figures out a way of monetizing mobile app traffic, they'll experience the Nokia & Microsoft mobile tie up flop. FB has a lot of free cash, but their rushed acquisitions don't send a cool message to deep pocket investors. So far PIMCO & Buffet have voted it a no go zone. Just hoping you dont get trapped in it like britank. Or do u want another shorting bet with me again like last year with britank smile

@Nabwire - This is the opera rumour link - www.valuewalk.com/2012/0...shares-to-all-time-high/
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hisah
#160 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 9:02:19 AM
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And here we see 'fadebook' closed at $28.84. Down more than 20% a few days after listing. A lot of angry class-action lawsuits out there...

www.todayonline.com/Busi...1/Facebook-stock-tumbles

Dear @genghiscapital - please give us your views on this thing. We need ayes & nays to balance since nays so far outweigh...
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