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Walmart spreads wings to Nigeria/Ethiopia/Next
essyk
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:22:51 PM
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Hate them or like them but they are spreading wings to 9ja after SA.ie according to one Ngozi.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0I6m8LEXm4

Was just thinking,what if they come East?
Will Kenya be their country of choice and why?
Shall we welcome them with both hands?

-In my view they pose a threat to local retailers pushing them out of market.
-Most of their products are china made.

Any views on these retail goods multinationals setting base in Africa?

Help us/me all ye wazua economists.


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#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:52:30 PM
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Hahahaha ! This will cool uchumi's mad rally.
murchr
#3 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:23:52 AM
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Market closed. Buy/trade East Africa
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essyk
#4 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:08:28 AM
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murchr wrote:
Market closed. Buy/trade East Africa

http://www.ventures-afri...omes-walmart-expansion/
Walmart is looking to expand its operations in Africa and its next port of call – Ethiopia.


Walmart and Tesco are at each other's necks in a bid to own stakes in the African market.

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mkeiyd
#5 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:49:23 AM
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Walmart or any other retail store out there would not benefit the Kenyan economy in the long run. They arm twist suppliers to supply at the bare minimum of quotations, go out there and source the cheapest and the local economy suffocates,demand for tax breaks and all sorts of incentives etc.
I hope they stay out there.
Sasha
#6 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:25:48 AM
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Kenya is a big market for these superstores seeing as only 40% of the consumers actually do shopping at the more than 100 outlets of the 4 supermarkets. Rwandans, Ugandans and Tanzanians (to a lesser extent) are becoming ever more affluent, the middle class has grown significantly in these countries and they represent a very key target market. Expect even more superstores to come.

Ethiopia is the new frontier market in this region. The country has really opened up to allow foreigners to set up businesses there.

@essyk: Tesco took over Uchumi outlets? Really? And Uchumi did not close down due to bankruptcy; it was insolvency. Those are 2 different things.
essyk
#7 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:21:02 PM
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Thank you sasha for that correction.
Read this link http://www.freshplaza.co...tail.asp?id=11479-Tesco had negotiated a franchise arrangement with Uchumi amidst protests but ran in trouble in June-July when suppliers got bouncing cheques and threatened to carry away their goods.

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Ethiopia is the new frontier market in this region. The country has really opened up to allow foreigners to set up businesses there.


Dont you think ethiopians retailers stand to lose here?
Invest as a foreigner but not at the expense of local manufacturers

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murchr
#8 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:47:23 PM
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Walmart will not get into the Kenyan Market....they tried but after a market analysis they opted not to
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Sasha
#9 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:05:06 AM
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@essyk: On the contrary, Ethiopian retailers will actually benefit when competitors come in. They will open up the market and will bring in some retail nous and will bring with them products previously unavailable in the country. The only issue is how those retailers will respond to this entry.
essyk
#10 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:22:59 AM
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Sasha wrote:
@essyk: On the contrary, Ethiopian retailers will actually benefit when competitors come in. They will open up the market and will bring in some retail nous and will bring with them products previously unavailable in the country. The only issue is how those retailers will respond to this entry.


My view on this is very diff.
cz I ask myself,why are the products not available since most of what walmart sells can easily be manufactured by ethiopians if they have the expertise,money and facilities.
But you know the African mentality 'Foreign is good quality'.One would rather buy frozen vegetables from China than buy fresh from local retailer.
The goverment should create a conducive biz environment to enable to enable local investors compete with these big giants.
That to me is progress.

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They will open up the market and will bring in some retail nous


Ok I just read that again and I somehow disagree.
Allow me to ask. Who better understands the behaviour of Ethiopian market? Isnt it the local retailer? The investor relies on market research stats, but there's this local touch they miss out.

Many foreign investors hardly understand the 'african market'.Many assume they can use the same yard stick here but it flops big time over a period of time.
Instead of adjusting to the local working system,they instead prefer a complete overhaul and that marks the beginning of a downfall and a shake up in the wrong direction.
Those who succeed (like the chinese) do so because they work with what is there however remote.If anything,they assimilate the local culture giving them an edge over the others because they become accepted fast.
After acceptance biz grows.

So if you are talking about retail nous,I think it should be reverse.
Walmart has few things to learn from locals,after all isn't the success brought about by the local retailer the reason Walmart is setting biz there?
Call them opportunists if you may.:
Ok In summary they are not bringing any retail nous.Just to ride on what is there.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:52:48 PM
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Now this reminds me of one of the directors in the Tuskys case who claimed that the current disagreement in the firm is the work of a major foreign supermarket chain whose intention is to buy off Tuskys.
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Drunkard
#12 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:48:01 PM
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essyk wrote:
Sasha wrote:
@essyk: On the contrary, Ethiopian retailers will actually benefit when competitors come in. They will open up the market and will bring in some retail nous and will bring with them products previously unavailable in the country. The only issue is how those retailers will respond to this entry.


My view on this is very diff.
cz I ask myself,why are the products not available since most of what walmart sells can easily be manufactured by ethiopians if they have the expertise,money and facilities.
But you know the African mentality 'Foreign is good quality'.One would rather buy frozen vegetables from China than buy fresh from local retailer.
The goverment should create a conducive biz environment to enable to enable local investors compete with these big giants.
That to me is progress.

Quote:
They will open up the market and will bring in some retail nous


Ok I just read that again and I somehow disagree.
Allow me to ask. Who better understands the behaviour of Ethiopian market? Isnt it the local retailer? The investor relies on market research stats, but there's this local touch they miss out.

Many foreign investors hardly understand the 'african market'.Many assume they can use the same yard stick here but it flops big time over a period of time.
Instead of adjusting to the local working system,they instead prefer a complete overhaul and that marks the beginning of a downfall and a shake up in the wrong direction.
Those who succeed (like the chinese) do so because they work with what is there however remote.If anything,they assimilate the local culture giving them an edge over the others because they become accepted fast.
After acceptance biz grows.

So if you are talking about retail nous,I think it should be reverse.
Walmart has few things to learn from locals,after all isn't the success brought about by the local retailer the reason Walmart is setting biz there?
Call them opportunists if you may.:
Ok In summary they are not bringing any retail nous.Just to ride on what is there.


You're making some wild assumptions about Walmart, and I think it is based on what you think the market should look like and how the forces of market should act, unfortunately you're wrong in all of them.

First Walmart has the best business model in the world when it come to retail, forget about what you've heard about Walmart, 90% of it come from people who do not understand or have never been to any strategy lesson. I am not naive, if Walmart was to walk into Kenyan Markets alot of other business will close down but ultimately the Kenyan consumer and economy will benefit.

Secondly, for anyone to understand how to benefit from entry of Walmart to a Market, they first must understand the Walmart supply chain, unlike other business, Walmart has been very successful because of it's efficient supply chain, Looking at Walmart supply chain, there is no business reason why Walmart would source vegetable to an international supplier! Walmart supply chain model is designed in such a way that the most effecient, the fastest and the cheapest supplier win the tender, alot is tilted to a local supplier it is upto that supplier to meet Walmart demands!

Thirdly, Walmart have damn good business and strategic analysts, the question of who is best to understand Ethiopian consumer will be answered fully and exhaustively!

essyk
#13 Posted : Friday, May 25, 2012 9:02:47 AM
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Drunkard wrote:

if Walmart was to walk into Kenyan Markets a lot of other business will close down but ultimately the Kenyan consumer and economy will benefit.
Huh! Drunkard? can you read that again?
Oh ok I know them.I wouldnt mind if one major chain shuts down because they don't benefit the kenyan economy, but have you given thought to the employees and suppliers Aren't they Kenyan manufacturers? I think what you said up there will cause a ripple effect and trust me,you and I will feel it in the long run.
Drunkard,
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Wal-Mart was responsible for $27 billion in U.S. imports from China in 2006 and 11% of the growth of the total U.S. trade deficit with China between 2001 and 2006. Wal-Mart’s trade deficit with China alone eliminated nearly 200,000 U.S. jobs in this period.The manufacturing sector and its workers were hardest hit by the growth of Wal-Mart’s imports.



Walmart has been very successful because of it's efficient supply chain, Looking at Walmart supply chain, there is no business reason why Walmart would source vegetable to an international supplier! Walmart supply chain model is designed in such a way that the most effecient, the fastest and the cheapest supplier win the tender,a lot is tilted to a local supplier it is up to that supplier to meet Walmart demands!
Mh that's not bad at all.But guess what? veges aside,the costs here are too high.
Locally manufactured goods are more exp than the cheap chinese made ones.Its no wonder walmart sources from china.
I was sourcing some goods for a foreigner because he needed to sell to a neighbouring country.Their former supplier was china.Ala!The cost of making what he needed was 3 times the the cost of the chinese.
The local told me there was nothing they could do because they source raw material for that very product from china.
And you wonder why Toys,Jewelry,pops and some other 'poison laden' chinese goods sell easy?



Thirdly, Walmart have damn good business and strategic analysts, the question of who is best to understand Ethiopian consumer will be answered fully and exhaustively!
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Buy in high volumes to sell cheap. It works because of the number of stores they have spreadout through their country.
But when they step outside the country, all logistical operations, partnerships, unawareness of political and government legal adherances etc come to play.
It also under prices some of its products and advertises them to the public. When they do this, they have to pay the price to stock the product. When they under price, they are selling the product for less then they had to pay to stock the item. That gets more people in the store. The customers then realize that the other prices arnt that bad either, so they buy that too.


YOU CANT BEAT WALMART IN PRICE.NO WAY



If they sell cheap I will DEF.buy because the common kenyan doesn't give thought about the manufacturer at the time of buying.
All he wants is something affordable so the manuf.can go sort themselves out.smile


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Drunkard
#14 Posted : Friday, May 25, 2012 4:44:37 PM
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@essyk

I recognize that we hold two different school of economics, you look at the economy in small parts and I look at it in totality and I don't think you're wrong based on your line of thinking. I believe the reason why companies source from China is because of price disparities which will eventually close up through the forces of market. You cannot stop the market from searching for alpha it is a defeating strategy. Economy grow because of the ability of a population to save and invest so you can easly offset the effect of cheap chinese good to america economy by pointing at the fact that the population was able to save money and therefore invest because they bought cheaper goods.

Now back to Walmart, again Walmart supply chain is very unique in that Walmart basically bid their shelves and supplier come in and stock the shelves and through their EPR systems suppliers can keep track of the stock in the shelve and know what time to pull the tracks and re-stock again. Walmart itself hold almost no stock in their warehouse unlike all their competitors who have to store good somewhere, pay for transportation and warehouse labor, Walmart do not go through that process.

Best buy the electronic chain is struggling right now yet they source to China too, why? because they cannot match Walmart supply chain strategies, Circut City went out of business 2 yrs ago, Supervalu is struggling to make money. Target is walking in a tight rop and in expanding to markets that Walmart are not yet there so you cannot point at sourcing as the reason why Walmart is successful, it is Walmart Strategy that is damn good!

FYI, I spend 1 yrs following retail industry and I am not a trained economist!
Ali Baba
#15 Posted : Friday, May 25, 2012 4:57:57 PM
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DRUNKARD: Americans have not saved any money from buying at Walmart.They spend more and more...furthermore,when you get addicted to shopping at Walmart,and assume they are the cheapest,they raise the prices after they vanquish their competitors.
essyk
#16 Posted : Saturday, May 26, 2012 12:28:35 AM
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Drunkard wrote:
@essyk

Economy grow because of the ability of a population to save and invest so you can easily offset the effect of cheap chinese good to america economy by pointing at the fact that the population was able to save money and therefore invest because they bought cheaper goods.

That's a very big misconception drunkard.
Without proper knowledge of investment opportunities and survival techniques many businesses fail to finish the race.
What evidence is there to prove that a % of the pop invested what they managed to save by going walmart? Save they may have,invest is another story.
And even if what you said was true,then my investment would be worth nothing if after investing,I face very stiff competition from a giant,established and experienced multinational.
They will still beat me in attracting clients causing my struggling biz to go down the drain.


But again,If walmart ever decides to set camp the Brand itself will sell because of psychology.
There's a pride that comes with buying goods from a famous and international brand
I therefore see kisumu as the best location.smile Silenced


FYI, I spend 1 yrs following retail industry and I am not a trained economist!
Well who is anyway? LOL I just speak my mind

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Sasha
#17 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 8:52:28 AM
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@essyk: I'm afraid like Drunkard said, you are making some misplaced assumptions. Ethiopia does not have the capacity to manufacture the products that Walmart will be able to bring in. Costs of manufacturing are higher than here in Kenya (raw materials, labour and energy) and their tax regime is extremely prohibitive. When you say "easily manufactured by Ethiopians", you've gone off the boil.

Again, true that the Ethiopians understand their market better than any foreigner would. Of course Walmart will need to learn (using what you call market research) the Ethiopia market to be successful. When you say they will not bring in any retail nous, I again wonder if you understand consumer markets. Drunkard has pointed out that Walmart have one of the best supply chains in the world (alongside Parmalat, Zara and Ferrero). The partnerships they create across the whole supply chain is now an MBA case study in itself. Consumer business success is hinged on supply chain (i.e. Supplier-Buyer-Consumer) partnerships which will definately benefit Ethiopian businesses (e.g. transporters, labour), and with these partnerships created, other Ethiopian retailers will now learn how to make their own supply chains efficient. So obviously, unless you are saying that Ethiopian retailers (and businesses for that matter) have better business models that Walmart, then it is they (Ethiopians) who will have more to learn from Walmart.
essyk
#18 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 11:11:34 AM
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[quote=Sasha]

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1.Ethiopia does not have the capacity to manufacture the products that Walmart will be able to bring in.

2.Costs of manufacturing are higher than here in Kenya (raw materials, labour and energy) and

3.Their tax regime is extremely prohibitive.

4.Walmart has better business models than Ethiopia so it is they (Ethiopians) who will have more to learn from Walmart.


I get you now. smile
Thank you.

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