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jamplu
#201 Posted : Sunday, May 27, 2012 11:48:23 AM
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@Marty am learning a lot from your posts.
i need some info on a stalled deal from you if you don't mind my email is jamplu[at]yahoo[dot]com
Marty
#202 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 9:19:34 AM
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dave.kim wrote:
Marty wrote:
dave.kim wrote:
Marty wrote:
dave.kim wrote:
Marty wrote:
dave.kim wrote:
@Marty. I made my first land purchase last year and ran into some trouble along the way. After following this thread I have realized that I was ignorant about the process. That said I hope you can give me some advice regarding my situation...I purchased land in lamu through an agent(who had and is doing legit deals with a couple of my friends) and paid an initial deposit of 45% and wrote up a sale agreement that the balance would be paid after the discharge letter was out and the land had been transferred to me. The agreement was drafted by a lawyer. However her first name was mispelt on her title and also some of the receipts for which she had paid for the land. An affidavit was drafted and signed to confirm that she is one n the same person.
Later on in the year after the Lamu port became more of a reality and prices shot up the land owner demanded more money. I refused and tried to place a caution but it was rejected since I did not go through the board. I now want to apply for an injunction. Please advice on the best approach


Who is holding the title to the land? Is it the agent or the lawyer who did the agreement or the Vendor?

The vendor

What exactly do you mean by this? Is it that you got a consent without going to the board (special) or you wanted a caution placed without going to the board?


I tried placing a caution without going through the Board. So which is the best approach to lodge my dispute?I go through the board and place make the complaint or I start applying for an injuction in court?


@dave,
If the agreement is not expired, then it will not be possible to place the caution as the Vendor is bound by the unexpired agreement. However, if the agreement period has lapsed, then it forms a basis to place a caution coz it is an obvious case of not honouring the agreement on the part of the vendor.

If you were to approach a court when the agreement is still valid, then you may not be able to pin down the Vendor. However, you can present your case if the Vendor has failed to honour the agreement and has also not complied with the default clauses of the agreement.

What does the default clauses of the agreement say? In most cases the Vendor usually has the leeway to refund your cash with interest in the case they default. He may opt to go this route.

As regards the placing of the caution, you don't have to go to the board, all you need is a copy of the agreement and also get a letter from the witnessing advocate to collaborate the story that the vendor is un-cooperative.

The big mistake was to let the Vendor retain the title coz ideally it should have been held by the advocate. Take note that after signing the agreement, the vendor left with the deposit cash as well as the title and going by his behaviour, it is a possibility he can even sell the land to someone else, after all what would prevent him.

Have you tried to negotiate with the guy in good faith and add him kidogo cash for the deal to be concluded without further acrimony? It could be an option as well, coz facts have materially changed, though agreements ought to be honored.

I had tried applying for a caution before using the same process u have advised but it was rejected. I tried negotiating in good faith but she wants me to pay double what we had agreed during the purchase. Unfortunately the clause in the sale agreement does not have a time limit set on for finalization of the transaction,it states:'and balance which shall be paid to the Vendor upon completion of the transaction and effecting of a valid transfer into the Purchaser's name' ...I am not willing to take a refund because that piece of land is very strategically placed and I will suffer a high opportunity cost.There is a board meeting coming up next month and I am planning to lodge my dispute then to the Board.If the board doesn't make a decision in my favor, what next legal step should be taken?
Also include me in your mailing list kimanidavidk@gmail.com


@dave, It is not lawful for the registrar to demand that you go through the board coz essentially a caution citing purchaser's interest should be place as soon as you present a copy of the agreement and a copy of the cheque to prove that you performed your obligation as per the agreement.

However, just comply and go the board as requested by the registrar and present your case there. In the event they don't assist you, then do the following:
1. Prepare the cheque for the balance and let the advocate who was did the agreement write to the vendor advising them that you are ready to finalize the transaction and attach a copy of the cheque plus the transfer documents advising the lady to sign them in say 14 days (I presume that the agreements says time is of the essence even if it does not mention the completion period. If not, it says that the sale is subject to LSK conditions). If she does not sign within the 14 days, then give her a completion notice of 14 days. If again she fails to sign, then
2. Approach the court and place an injunction and request for an order of specific performance. Remember these are courts of evidence, so u'll need to prove that you are ready to complete the transaction, so the cheque for the balance is important. The court will most likely rule in your favour. In some cases the Registrar can actually sign the transfer forms and allow for the transfer to proceed whereupon the cash for the balance is deposited with the court for the Vendor to collect. Get advice from a good lawyer if you decide to go the court way. Hope this helps.
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mukoya
#203 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 10:10:56 AM
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Goodstuff please include me in ur mailing list benokembo@yahoo.com
Marty
#204 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 1:50:32 PM
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Of Certificates and Ballots

Did u know that the Kenyan Government only recognizes title deeds and allotment letters as bona-fide documents to show proof of ownership of land? And by the way, from our previous lessons, the allotment letter is just an offer and the expectation after receiving the offer is to accept it by way of paying the charges therein.
So, when you purchase a plot from a land buying company and all you receive is a certificate from the said company, then please take note that the government does not recognize that you own the plot. In fact the agreement may only say that you own a plot excised from the mother title so and so.

The origin of these certificates and ballots was by land buying companies whereupon the company would buy a big chunk of land, or would be allotted by the government. The shareholders of the company would then buy shares and you’d find a share would mean one or several parcels of land. Ideally, the shareholders would ballot for the available pieces, hence the ballot card and numbers. Thereafter, they’d pay some charges to be shown the parcel (s) and process the titles via the buying / ranching company. We have heard of Embakasi, Githunguri, Kihiu Mwiri, Kiganjo, Dandora farmers, Mboi Kamiti, Nyakinyua etc, all ranching companies that would apply this concept. Till today, you’ll find members who never paid the requisite charges to acquire title deeds still holding on to original documents (very old receipts, ballots & certificates) as proof of ownership. I once saw a mzee who had framed a certificate and held it so dear it was kinda comical. But then, they are / were original owners and any sale would mean a transfer is executed at the company offices.

Fast forward to today. Some guys will buy huge chunks of land, subdivide physically and sell using certificates. My biggest question has always been why a serious investor in land would behave like that. But purchasers are also to blame; why do you buy a plot with a certificate worst of all from an individual? This is plainly lazy on the part of the guy selling.

In some cases, the concept is acceptable like the Mhasibu case where they sell a concept and members buy into the concept. When cash enough to commit to the deal has been received, the deposit is paid and the balance is paid upon completion by those interested. Title processing comes much later after members have fully paid and subdivision is completed. Notice the advantages of such a concept in the fact that members fully enjoy economies of scale coz the bigger the land, the cheaper it becomes. Again, when well negotiated, the members acquire the plots at a cost which is way below the market prices.

For the former case where an individual just buys a huge chunk and sell plots with certificates, take note of the risks therein:
1. For the individual / company selling, if they decide to use the land as collateral, who would stop them? I have heard cases where dubious fellows use the land as collateral only for the purchasers to be left in a fix when the fellow defaults. You’ll end up lining up with a bank somewhere where the bank claims lenders interest and the purchasers claim purchasers’ interest.
2. For the purchaser, you can never use the land as collateral coz no bank will accept those certificates. The ownership of that property only reaches the purchaser upon transfer of the title in their name.

I have also witnessed interesting cases especially in Ruiru (Murera Area) where guys subdivide land into tiny plots measuring 60ft by 40ft and sell using certificates. What purchasers should know is that you can never get a title with that size of a plot around that area. In fact the smallest piece you should buy must be a minimum 40ft by 80ft or equivalent area. My advice is that we avoid these certificates at all cost. However, whenever purchasing any land in those schemes, then it is wise to demand for those original documents as part of due diligence.

Next we’ll look at joint property ownership and the legal implications.
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dave.kim
#205 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 5:38:35 PM
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Marty wrote:
dave.kim wrote:
Marty wrote:
dave.kim wrote:
Marty wrote:
dave.kim wrote:
Marty wrote:
dave.kim wrote:
@Marty. I made my first land purchase last year and ran into some trouble along the way. After following this thread I have realized that I was ignorant about the process. That said I hope you can give me some advice regarding my situation...I purchased land in lamu through an agent(who had and is doing legit deals with a couple of my friends) and paid an initial deposit of 45% and wrote up a sale agreement that the balance would be paid after the discharge letter was out and the land had been transferred to me. The agreement was drafted by a lawyer. However her first name was mispelt on her title and also some of the receipts for which she had paid for the land. An affidavit was drafted and signed to confirm that she is one n the same person.
Later on in the year after the Lamu port became more of a reality and prices shot up the land owner demanded more money. I refused and tried to place a caution but it was rejected since I did not go through the board. I now want to apply for an injunction. Please advice on the best approach


Who is holding the title to the land? Is it the agent or the lawyer who did the agreement or the Vendor?

The vendor

What exactly do you mean by this? Is it that you got a consent without going to the board (special) or you wanted a caution placed without going to the board?


I tried placing a caution without going through the Board. So which is the best approach to lodge my dispute?I go through the board and place make the complaint or I start applying for an injuction in court?


@dave,
If the agreement is not expired, then it will not be possible to place the caution as the Vendor is bound by the unexpired agreement. However, if the agreement period has lapsed, then it forms a basis to place a caution coz it is an obvious case of not honouring the agreement on the part of the vendor.

If you were to approach a court when the agreement is still valid, then you may not be able to pin down the Vendor. However, you can present your case if the Vendor has failed to honour the agreement and has also not complied with the default clauses of the agreement.

What does the default clauses of the agreement say? In most cases the Vendor usually has the leeway to refund your cash with interest in the case they default. He may opt to go this route.

As regards the placing of the caution, you don't have to go to the board, all you need is a copy of the agreement and also get a letter from the witnessing advocate to collaborate the story that the vendor is un-cooperative.

The big mistake was to let the Vendor retain the title coz ideally it should have been held by the advocate. Take note that after signing the agreement, the vendor left with the deposit cash as well as the title and going by his behaviour, it is a possibility he can even sell the land to someone else, after all what would prevent him.

Have you tried to negotiate with the guy in good faith and add him kidogo cash for the deal to be concluded without further acrimony? It could be an option as well, coz facts have materially changed, though agreements ought to be honored.

I had tried applying for a caution before using the same process u have advised but it was rejected. I tried negotiating in good faith but she wants me to pay double what we had agreed during the purchase. Unfortunately the clause in the sale agreement does not have a time limit set on for finalization of the transaction,it states:'and balance which shall be paid to the Vendor upon completion of the transaction and effecting of a valid transfer into the Purchaser's name' ...I am not willing to take a refund because that piece of land is very strategically placed and I will suffer a high opportunity cost.There is a board meeting coming up next month and I am planning to lodge my dispute then to the Board.If the board doesn't make a decision in my favor, what next legal step should be taken?
Also include me in your mailing list kimanidavidk@gmail.com


@dave, It is not lawful for the registrar to demand that you go through the board coz essentially a caution citing purchaser's interest should be place as soon as you present a copy of the agreement and a copy of the cheque to prove that you performed your obligation as per the agreement.

However, just comply and go the board as requested by the registrar and present your case there. In the event they don't assist you, then do the following:
1. Prepare the cheque for the balance and let the advocate who was did the agreement write to the vendor advising them that you are ready to finalize the transaction and attach a copy of the cheque plus the transfer documents advising the lady to sign them in say 14 days (I presume that the agreements says time is of the essence even if it does not mention the completion period. If not, it says that the sale is subject to LSK conditions). If she does not sign within the 14 days, then give her a completion notice of 14 days. If again she fails to sign, then
2. Approach the court and place an injunction and request for an order of specific performance. Remember these are courts of evidence, so u'll need to prove that you are ready to complete the transaction, so the cheque for the balance is important. The court will most likely rule in your favour. In some cases the Registrar can actually sign the transfer forms and allow for the transfer to proceed whereupon the cash for the balance is deposited with the court for the Vendor to collect. Get advice from a good lawyer if you decide to go the court way. Hope this helps.

I got a lawyer and she advised the same and your 2nd opinion is assuring. THANKS ALOT for the advise and the posts are very enlightening.Now I will know better on my future land purchases.
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youcan'tstopusnow
#206 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2012 11:33:46 PM
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Marty, a real life example to the issue of encumbrances?
The listed investment
company cancelled the deal to acquire the property after the parties to the deal refused to disclose that a court order had been obtained in a separate court case involving Mr Muigai,
Barclays Bank and real estate developer Suraya Group, barring any transaction on
the property.
http://www.businessdaily...8/-/qkyie5/-/index.html
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
Marty
#207 Posted : Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:58:53 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
Marty, a real life example to the issue of encumbrances?
The listed investment
company cancelled the deal to acquire the property after the parties to the deal refused to disclose that a court order had been obtained in a separate court case involving Mr Muigai,
Barclays Bank and real estate developer Suraya Group, barring any transaction on
the property.
http://www.businessdaily...8/-/qkyie5/-/index.html


True, this looka like an encumbered land with a pending matter in court. You won't touch this with a 10 foot pole.
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Marty
#208 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:10:52 AM
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Joint Ownership

Joint ownership of property will come in two forms:
1. Joint proprietors
2. Proprietors in Common

When two or more people purchase land, they can be registered on the Title as either of the above.

Where two or more parties register as Joint Proprietors each registered owner does not have a specific share of the property - all owners have an undefined share in the whole of the land. The right of 'survivorship' applies when a joint proprietor dies, as the ownership automatically vests in the surviving joint proprietor/s. In other words, the deceased proprietor's interest simply evaporates by operation of law, and cannot be inherited by his heirs (which means you avoids going through probate / succession). Under this type of ownership, the last owner living takes all.

In the former registration acts which have since been repealed, it was possible for non-spouses to jointly own property as joint proprietors, not so in the new Land registration Act 2012. In fact any property which was jointly owned by people who are not spouses in the old law automatically transits into proprietors in common mode under the new law. How they’ll split the percentages am not sure; probably they’ll assume equal ownership. The new law only allows spouses as joint proprietors but others will have to be proprietors in common.

As for proprietors in common each registered owner has a separately defined share of the property which can be one undivided moiety or one third, or one quarter, depending on the number of registered proprietors as to the percentage holding. In this instance, when a proprietor in common dies, ‘survivorship' does not apply, and the deceased's share is transferred according to the terms of the will. However in the case of those who die intestate (without a will), then the share is transferred to the administrator of the estate. Simply put, when a proprietor in common dies, that owner's interest in the property will pass by way of inheritance to that owner's heirs, either by will, or by intestate succession.

Lessons to learn
1. If you wish to protect your spouse from being harassed by your not so good relatives after you are gone to plant cassavas for those you leave behind, then ensure that the properties you wish her/him to have are registered in both your names. That way, the surviving spouse automatically takes over the ownership without being subjected to succession. The registrar actually will delete the name of the deceased from the title upon confirmation/proof of transition by way of registering the death certificate.
2. In the case where several people contribute un-equal amount towards the acquisition of a property then the % of ownership need to be clearly stipulated in the registration documents.

By the way, did u know that any transfer even in the case of a gift or inheritance attracts stamp duty? Next we shall look at registration of minors (below 18) and registration of properties in trust. I have at one point met someone who never really trusted their spouse and decided to register the property in the name of a minor.
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dnn
#209 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:40:58 AM
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marty, I've been followigf your posts from beginning and now it's sure that it's consistent and not a brief spike..nice all round work
nduatizy
#210 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:11:11 AM
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@Marty thanx. U r really helping me so much albeit sometimes u freak me to death nduatizy@yahoo.com.
Also shed mo light on group ownership of land. Mayb the mistakes to avoid n diligence one shuld kip after acquiring one with a group of about ten.
Ilikeyou
#211 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:50:29 AM
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@Marty
When will you circulate Financial literacy summary 3?
Ilikeyou
#212 Posted : Wednesday, May 30, 2012 11:52:11 AM
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@Marty
When will you circulate Financial literacy summary 3?
Marty
#213 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:04:54 AM
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Ilikeyou wrote:
@Marty
When will you circulate Financial literacy summary 3?


Next week
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Marty
#214 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:06:34 AM
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nduatizy wrote:
@Marty thanx. U r really helping me so much albeit sometimes u freak me to death nduatizy@yahoo.com.
Also shed mo light on group ownership of land. Mayb the mistakes to avoid n diligence one shuld kip after acquiring one with a group of about ten.


You registered the land in whose name?
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Marty
#215 Posted : Tuesday, June 05, 2012 11:50:30 AM
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Of minors and registration of land in trust

You probably don’t trust your wife/husband that much and you think it is wiser to register that property in the name of the kid. In the new act (Land Registration act 2012) the issue of minor’s registration is dealt with in section 47:

“(1) The name of a person under the age of eighteen years may be entered in the register to e n a b l e the minor’s interest to be held in trust and shall be registered under the name of the guardian either on first registration or as a transferee or on transmission.
(2) Nothing in this section enables a person under eighteen years of age to deal with land or any interest in land by virtue of such registration, and, if the Registrar knows a child has been registered, the Registrar shall enter a restriction accordingly.
(3) If a disposition by a minor whose minority has not been disclosed to the Registrar has been registered, that disposition may not be set aside only on the grounds of minority”


In simpler words the minor’s name will be entered in the register but the minor cannot transact in the land till they reach 18yrs of age. When the minor reaches 18 years of age, the trust lapses automatically.

The title is usually registered under the name of the guardian (s) as trustees of the minor as below:
Guardian 1 name and Guardian 2 name … as trustees of Child of Birth Cert no..
In the event that the guardian is more than 1 and the one of them expires (dies), then the other guardians cannot take charge of the entire trust, in fact the deceased guardian ought to be replaced. The details of the trust should basically deal with how the transmission will be done. In the event the details are not there, then laws on general trusts will prevail. If all the guardians expire, then an option of the public trustee taking charge may be explored.
So, how is a minor to be protected?

When a guardian or guardians registered in trust decide to transact with the land, then it must be in the interest of the minor. Suppose you are purchasing such a piece? Ideally, when you are in the know that the land is under a trustee then you may want to ensure that the money you pay goes into an account in the name of minor and if such an account does not exist then it is prudent to insist that one is opened by the guardian.
A good registrar should actually seek to understand why the land is being sold and should at least ensure the minor is protected. It may not be strictly in the law but the interests of the minor must come first. As a buyer never write cheques in the name of the guardian especially when you know that they are just but trustees. It actually means they don’t own the land but are just holding it on behalf of somebody else.

Did u know that welfare groups cannot own property including land? In fact, if such a group wants to own land it can only be registered in the names of some or all of the members in trust.

Next we look at leveraging on debt in real estate.
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#216 Posted : Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:56:08 PM
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Good debt vs bad debt

When you see the word debt, what comes into your mind? Is it the HELB loan, the soft loan you took from a friend, the goods unpaid for in the shop in your estate, mortgage or that credit card debt that keep following you?
We have two forms of debt that are fundamentally different and can never be painted with the same brush. Read on and you might discover how debt can actually be good for you, when managed properly.

Bad Debt – This is the kind of debt that sounds very familiar with most people. A typical life starts with some student loan (HELB). Soon after you get employed, you apply for some credit cards (very enticing). Thereafter you get a car loan to keep up with the Jones (still very appealing). Later on you get to the mortgage (not so bad at least). Somewhere along the line serious expenditures weigh on you and accumulate very quickly. Before you know it, you attempt to get out of debt using any possible means including piling more debt, or loosely put borrowing to repay other debts. Sounds crazy but kinda familiar. Rat race I guess. But we at least covered a topic on how to get out of this race.

Why is this bad debt? All of the above with an exception of the mortgage actually work against you; at least the mortgage goes towards building your future. Let’s say that bad debt is the kind of debt that results from overspending on things you really don’t need – things that can never provide you with any sort of return. Spend too much on these frivolous items and you’ve got quite a problem on your hands. A very dangerous problem that can kill you; relax you ain’t dead at least.

By the way, some relatives and some friends form a big part of the bad debt we write off at a personal level. They are in the habit of acquiring soft loans from us that they don’t plan to repay; or they fail to repay. I use a strategy to deal with that by blacklisting the bad debtors. So I give out the cash that I am comfortable losing and if the likely event of losing happens, then I blacklist the culprit. In the unlikely event that I get paid the soft loan, I can comfortably give more to the fellow in future. Those who are blacklisted will probably not bother you in future, but if they are hard headed and decided to come back to ask for more, I remind them of what they owe me with specific details including the date they borrowed and the amount. Some are shocked and take to their heels.

Good Debt – This is a totally different type of debt that we commonly refer to as leverage. In a layman’s definition we can loosely define it as use of borrowed capital for (an investment), expecting the profits made to be greater than the interest payable. Essentially, you are going into debt in order to make more money for yourself in the future. In the right hands and with the right techniques, debt is a very powerful tool that can help you make more money, not less. When handled incorrectly, debt is nothing more than an albatross (a source of frustration an encumbrance) that will bog you down financially. Good debt is something that will free you from financial worries.

We shall expound on the leveraging in the next post.
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nduatizy
#217 Posted : Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:13:14 PM
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Marty wrote:
nduatizy wrote:
@Marty thanx. U r really helping me so much albeit sometimes u freak me to death nduatizy@yahoo.com.
Also shed mo light on group ownership of land. Mayb the mistakes to avoid n diligence one shuld kip after acquiring one with a group of about ten.


You registered the land in whose name?


We r thinking of buying one with our chama.
Marty
#218 Posted : Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:22:07 PM
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nduatizy wrote:
Marty wrote:
nduatizy wrote:
@Marty thanx. U r really helping me so much albeit sometimes u freak me to death nduatizy@yahoo.com.
Also shed mo light on group ownership of land. Mayb the mistakes to avoid n diligence one shuld kip after acquiring one with a group of about ten.


You registered the land in whose name?


We r thinking of buying one with our chama.


The chama is registered as a welfare group or a limited company??
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SG
#219 Posted : Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:35:14 PM
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@Marty
Keep up!smile
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Marty
#220 Posted : Wednesday, June 06, 2012 3:38:41 PM
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SG wrote:
@Marty
Keep up!smile
Email list: vincentoraro@gmail.com


Noted and thanks
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