Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Life
»
Why would a minister's son commit suicide?
Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
|
I agree with maichblack over there. The parent/guardian has tremendous influence on the child especially in the formative years.
The child comes into the world as a tabula rasa, a blank slate and it the parent/guardian who the child interacts with who gives the child perspectives and worldviews.
So if a child romanticizes suicide, destruction, death, ..... he/she did not start on THAT day.
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
|
Read this article below. Suicidal people have chemical imbalances in their brain. Good parenting can help but at a small scale. Its like comfrting a cancer/terminally ill patient. The comfort will add a few days to their life . The most important thing is to understand how the imbalance occurs and deal with it from scientific level e.g exercise, diet, medicine, society e.t.c If you are born with imbalanced levels of dopamine,serotonin and noreprinepine, only scientific methods of ensuring balance can help. Quote:Bipolar disorder is marked by wild, cyclical mood swings, which typically begin in a person's late teens or twenties and strike men and women with equal frequency. Its milder, type II form causes depression alternating with hyperactivity, while the more severe type I disorder produces frenzied, even psychotic episodes that may send the patient to the hospital, followed by deep, crippling depressions. Current treatment uses a mix of mood-stabilizing, anti-psychotic and antidepressant drugs, but patients and physicians often struggle to strike the right combination. Quote:Zubieta and his colleagues made the discovery in 16 patients with type I bipolar disorder using a brain imaging technique called positron emission tomography, or PET. The scans let them see the density of cells that release the brain chemicals dopamine, serotonin and norepinephrine.
These monoamines, as the chemicals are called, send signals between brain cells, or neurons. They're involved in mood regulation, stress responses, pleasure, reward, and cognitive functions like concentration, attention, and executive functions. Scientists have hypothesized their role in bipolar disorder for decades, but have never proven it. http://bipolar.about.com...e/a/press_umich0210.htm
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
|
Drunkard wrote:I live in 26th floor apartment overlooking a beautiful park, I have a job and I don't worry about my bills, I have a nice car, health insurance, dental, life and retirement plan, to someone else, I seem to have it all. However, I sleep less than 5 hrs a day almost everyday, 60% of the time I struggle to fall a sleep, I could be in bed for hours with absolutely no sleep.Over the weekends I can look down my apartment and see seemingly happy guys, obviously broke but playing basketball and having fun like nothing matters, sometime I wish I could just live freely but I can't. The point is happiness is not a function of wealth, poor people are as happy as rich people, infact poor people could possibly be happier than rich people, imagine if you didn't go to school and you lived in forest, you wouldn't even know how good life is suppose to be, you wouldn't even care about cars, nice cloths, status, traffic, career, homework, you would just be landing and eating!
Obviously, I can read people's status from the comment, to this kid wealth wasn't a factor in his happiness, he had the wealth so he didn't consider wealth as a privilage, but to someone else who is not wealthy, they would think wealth could make him happier no! Wow! you just made me start to look at this thing differently. Maybe we need to encourage our kids to pursue the paths they are most strongest at instead of forcing them to be fake photocopies of us.
BBI will solve it :)
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
|
To me it all boils down to understanding God and Nature. The more you distabilise God and Nature, the more you loose. The more you balance and look for harmony with God and Nature, the more you gain. This looking for harmony with God and Nature can be done through scientific research. -my 2 cents on this.. Quote:Dietary Changes
While dietary treatments for bipolar disorder do not directly increase or decrease dopamine in your brain, they may help with the molecule's formation. To make dopamine, your body takes the amino acid tyrosine and converts it. Your body needs certain vitamins and minerals to manufacture dopamine, such as vitamin C, folic acid, vitamin B-3, iron, vitamin B-6 and copper. Some of these vitamins and minerals may also help reduce your symptoms. For example, vitamin C can reduce the amount of vanadium, a trace element, which may cause your symptoms of mania and depression, according to Shaheen E. Lakhan and Karen F. Vieira, authors of the article "Nutritional Therapies for Mental Disorders." Taking 3 g of vitamin C may decrease both your manic and depressive symptoms, notes the University of Michigan Health System. Talk to your doctor before taking any supplements to treat your bipolar disorder. http://www.livestrong.co...06-bipolar-and-dopamine/As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
|
[quote=a4architect.com]To me it all boils down to understanding God and Nature. The more you distabilise God and Nature, the more you loose. The more you balance and look for harmony with God and Nature, the more you gain. This looking for harmony with God and Nature can be done through scientific research. -my 2 cents on this.. Quote:Dietary Changes
While dietary treatments for bipolar disorder do not directly increase or decrease dopamine in your brain, they may help with the molecule's formation. To make dopamine, your body takes the amino acid tyrosine and converts it. Your body needs certain vitamins and minerals to manufacture dopamine, such as vitamin C, folic acid, vitamin B-3, iron, vitamin B-6 and copper. Some of these vitamins and minerals may also help reduce your symptoms. For example, vitamin C can reduce the amount of vanadium, a trace element, which may cause your symptoms of mania and depression, according to Shaheen E. Lakhan and Karen F. Vieira, authors of the article "Nutritional Therapies for Mental Disorders." Taking 3 g of vitamin C may decrease both your manic and depressive symptoms, notes the University of Michigan Health System. Talk to your doctor before taking any supplements to treat your bipolar disorder. http://www.livestrong.co...6-bipolar-and-dopamine/[/quote] Interesting points you give here. Can we agree that there is no single cause then? Rather, a multiplicity of causes and events?
|
|
|
Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/4/2010 Posts: 1,668 Location: nairobi
|
@yesuwangu..yes... come to think of it. What you and @maichblack are saying concurs with the above scientific links. If a parent gives love and attention to the kid, he might unknowingly be altering the child's chemical imbalances directly[providing the child with vitamin c,trace elements e.t.c in food] and indirectly[providing the child with a shoulder to lean on during the imbalances period]. As long as a parent seeks God to help in parenting, science takes a back seat in a way. As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
|
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 10/23/2007 Posts: 604
|
Demons. Yes those things we like ignoring because fake pastors talk about them too. When a post on Music was discussed here there was a lot of bashing of the poster. http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=18594
Good or bad parenting, if one is exposed to satanic music and/or even drugs, he/she will come under demonic influence and will do whatever the demons ask him/her to do. Most people who attempt suicide confess of hearing voices. The medical world has always treated such cases as Schizophrenia, Bipolar or some mental disorder. However, those who have discerned identify the problem and a prayer of deliverance from demonic possession is enough.I'm not implying all mental illnesses are demonic but it is important for people not to ignore the spiritual aspects of this life we live. Cases 1. Whitney H. Just after raising a praise to Jesus she was found dead in a bath tub. The world blamed it on an over-dose, which was very true but the half-truth.At the point of her death Whitney had reached the turning point to give her life to Jesus Christ. The devil was not to let go easily. This woman entered into spiritual warfare alone and not being well equipped she lost the battle. It is important for Christians to keep praying for everyone even those who fight them and their doctrine. Jesus Died for all. 2. Teenage girl in Kiambu. She was caught just as she was about to jump into a dam. On follow-up she said she wanted to die because the mother did not love her. The said mother, was a mpango-wa-kando to several men who used to come home. Spiritully by having these men in her life, she was entertaining the Spirit of Whoredom, which goes out to call its sister demons like murder and suicide. The girl later said a voice kept urging her to kill herself. 3. A 26 Year Old in Kikuyu It happened a month ago. The guy was from a poor family. He smoked too much bhang, something he used to do, days later he committed suicide. Another case of hearing voices. As I said not all mental illnesses are demonic but most are. People need to turn back to God in Truth and in Spirit.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
|
honestly coolbull, your comment is in very bad taste. People commit suicide from all social upbringings and reasons. Including accidental suicides. If you are honest with yourselves, we have all reached a point where we believed that there was no way out for us. The question is, how do many get out of that mindset and others go the other way? Maybe the thing we should be discussing is not the failures but the successes so that others who come after us follow the successes. This topic is raising some very interesting pointers that have so far been very informative. Most of us are parents and we need to know why this can happen. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
|
|
|
Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
|
mkeiyd wrote:Drunkard wrote:2012 wrote:To be honest I've just been wondering what could have been disturbing that young man. Was it girls? High expectations? Drugs? Just what would make the son of the man who controls the country's budget commit while the kids of the poor are going strong? I live in 26th floor apartment overlooking a beautiful park, I have a job and I don't worry about my bills, I have a nice car, health insurance, dental, life and retirement plan, to someone else, I seem to have it all. However, I sleep less than 5 hrs a day almost everyday, 60% of the time I struggle to fall a sleep, I could be in bed for hours with absolutely no sleep.Over the weekends I can look down my apartment and see seemingly happy guys, obviously broke but playing basketball and having fun like nothing matters, sometime I wish I could just live freely but I can't. The point is happiness is not a function of wealth, poor people are as happy as rich people, infact poor people could possibly be happier than rich people, imagine if you didn't go to school and you lived in forest, you wouldn't even know how good life is suppose to be, you wouldn't even care about cars, nice cloths, status, traffic, career, homework, you would just be landing and eating! Obviously, I can read people's status from the comment, to this kid wealth wasn't a factor in his happiness, he had the wealth so he didn't consider wealth as a privilage, but to someone else who is not wealthy, they would think wealth could make him happier no! @Drunkard, well put. It's lonely at the top. You are right. The guys playing basket ball and having fun are on the ground. I think someone on the 26th floor who has urges to live freely, should be in a suicide watch list. ..... he is not a bird with wings you know.
|
|
|
Rank: Member Joined: 10/23/2007 Posts: 604
|
alma wrote:honestly coolbull, your comment is in very bad taste. People commit suicide from all social upbringings and reasons. Including accidental suicides.
If you are honest with yourselves, we have all reached a point where we believed that there was no way out for us.
The question is, how do many get out of that mindset and others go the other way?
Maybe the thing we should be discussing is not the failures but the successes so that others who come after us follow the successes.
This topic is raising some very interesting pointers that have so far been very informative. Most of us are parents and we need to know why this can happen. Sorry, I don't get your point. What is in bad taste? I simply brought in a angle which is usually overlooked. As a parent do not ignore it. Teach your children about God and how to rely on Him and not wordly solutions and you will never hear of Demonic Suicide in your generations. Proverbs 22:6 - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it. James 4:7 - Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Isaiah 54:17 - No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; ............ This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord. I'm a Christian, kindly allow me to see life from that window. In case someone gets me wrong, I've only touched on Suicides caused by demonic possession.
|
|
|
Wazua
»
Club SK
»
Life
»
Why would a minister's son commit suicide?
Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.
|