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Why would a minister's son commit suicide?
MaichBlack
#11 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:16:33 PM
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To be honest I've just been wondering what could have been disturbing that young man. Was it girls? High expectations? Drugs? Just what would make the son of the man who controls the country's budget commit while the kids of the poor are going strong?


The most important thing to your kids is YOU. Not your money!!! One of the courses of suicide [obviously not the only one] is the feeling of being alone [in a situation]. Kids/grown ups from close knit families have a much lower probability of committing suicide. A huge number of wealthy parents are detached from their kids. They try to replace themselves with money. Many a times I go to the Village Market "water world" - the slides and pool - and a see a huge number of kids who are brought by their nannies - in complete uniform and can't help but feel sorry for them.

Kids brought by their parents - especially fathers - are happier. They will keep running to the father to explain what happened a few minutes ago "Daddy, the tube had stuck, daddy I fell off the tube, daddy did you see me...". They might have come in a matatu or a 1979 Mazda but the kid is far much better of off than one who was dropped in an S-class by the driver to spend the afternoon with the nanny!

@Robinhood put's it best though. It happens to both the rich and the poor. If you are distant from your kids, the minute they encounter challenges they might just think the unthinkable. It's only that we are so focused on the minister's son and yet tens more kids have probably committed suicide this week alone. But they are from poor or average families! So no press!

PS: My explanation has nothing to do with the minister's son suicide. I have absolutely no information on what transpired on the material day or the kind of life he lived. I don’t want to speculate.

Robinhood wrote:
I also know kids from poor families who have taken their lives. This is a complex matter

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Impunity
#12 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:18:22 PM
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Must be some psychiatric issue, it has nothing to do with being a ministers son. I believe in any suicide case (except Japanese seppuku kamakize and including suicide bombers), there is a serious mental problem. It has nothing to do with the parents/home/e.t.c. The guy was 24 years old mark you. Of course drugs could make the problem worse but those are also available in the ghettos. The autopsy was there to rule out murder or at least cerebral malaria


Kenyan press houses put his age at 26, where did you get 24?
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MaichBlack
#13 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:21:41 PM
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deadpoet wrote:
It's only intelligent people who commit suicide, IMHO

Spoken like a dead poet!

The philosophical approach to issues and looking at things from "another angle" exhibited by artists - like poets - soon makes them dead poets/artist - through suicide - when they finally overdose on it. Chunga maisha ndugu!
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#14 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:23:51 PM
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In most suicide cases its bipolar disorder. I once dated a Bipolar chick..very scary...before that i only used to hear of bipolar on Oprah and think this is something that only happens in movies till it was brought to my face.
Bipolars look very normal, are very good in arguing and logic and very intelligent.

Once a bipolar attack comes, it lasts for like 3 weeks whereby they become argumentative, violent, angry, sexually over energized and suicidal.

It then subsides then they return to normal till next episode.

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The Risk of Suicide for Bipolar Patients
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Bipolar disorder is notoriously difficult to diagnose and treat, and has a suicide rate of up to 20%. Studies suggest that half of people living with bipolar disorder have attempted to kill themselves.

"It won't put ideas in their head" (1:36)
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Not all people with bipolar disorder have an equal suicide risk. Investigators who examined records from more than 32,000 members of two large prepaid health plans who had been treated for bipolar disorder determined that men with bipolar made fewer suicide attempts than women but were more likely than women to die when they did attempt suicide.


http://www.health.com/he...icle/0,,20274205,00.html
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Kusadikika
#15 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:30:22 PM
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2012 wrote:
To be honest I've just been wondering what could have been disturbing that young man. Was it girls? High expectations? Drugs? Just what would make the son of the man who controls the country's budget commit while the kids of the poor are going strong?


Interesting question....... but what is even more interesting is that in the same question you probably give the main reason why a child with wealthy parents might actually commit suicide.

Hard work is a good thing. Rising from poverty to riches is also a good thing. Having said that, these two can in an unenlightened mind create a monster and a bully. Let me explain. A man rises from poverty to a great deal of wealth and power. Everyday he remembers the cold nights he endured as a child, walking 5 miles to school, longing for his first pair of shoes and so on. He works hard, he is at the right place at the right time, things happen and he makes it in life. He now has a lot of money and a house in the wealthiest neighborhood and his children in private schools.

He looks at the contrast between his life and his children's lives and he thinks they have it easy. They have clothes, they go to good schools, they live in a mansion and all that is because of him. He repeats the story of his life to his children a million times and every time he does so he chips away at their self esteem. Look at me, I did not have anything yet here I am. If I had what you have I would be Mark Zuckerberg.

A child of an unenlightened self made man can never be good enough, every achievement he has made or can ever make is robbed of him by his father who thinks it is because of me that you even had the opportunity to do what you did. He endures contempt and disrespect all his life. It is easy in such circumstances to contemplate suicide.

Parents, love your children. Your battles were your battles they have their own. The nature of their problems is different from yours but all children even Bill Gates children have their own set of problems and need encouragement, love and a helping hand.
MaichBlack
#16 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:34:10 PM
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Visit link below:

Teenage Suicide: Red flags to look out for.

Wazuans should especially take interest in the paragraphs below

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Many children are used to having their way and have a wrong perception about how things work in the real world. Such children tend to have a low tolerance for frustration, and facing reality that things cannot always go the way they want can be overwhelming for a child who is used to having his own way

Ms Winnie Kitetu, a clinical psychologist at the Nairobi Mental Health Services, agrees that many of today’s children are raised on the culture of immediate gratification.

They are used to getting what they want, when they want it, and they can easily slip into negative thoughts and depression if that does not happen
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#17 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:51:44 PM
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If you go deep into scientific research, you will see that in most cases of suicide, there is nothing the parent can do unless consult a shrink mapema mapema since a disease like Bipolar checks in on Average at 26 years of age.

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Mortality

Bipolar disorder can cause suicidal ideation that leads to suicidal attempts. One out of three people with bipolar disorder report past attempts of suicide or complete it,[87] and the annual average suicide rate is 0.4%, which is 10 to 20 times that of the general population.[88] The standardized mortality ratio from suicide in bipolar disorder is between 18 and 25.[89]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder
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YesuWangu
#18 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:59:12 PM
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What is happiness?

As subjective as it is, what makes one happy? Happy people do not kill themselves or do they?

Even if one has those bipolar issues, if he is happy at that point, can he kill himself?
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#19 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 5:01:08 PM
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2012 wrote:
To be honest I've just been wondering what could have been disturbing that young man. Was it girls? High expectations? Drugs? Just what would make the son of the man who controls the country's budget commit while the kids of the poor are going strong?



I live in 26th floor apartment overlooking a beautiful park, I have a job and I don't worry about my bills, I have a nice car, health insurance, dental, life and retirement plan, to someone else, I seem to have it all. However, I sleep less than 5 hrs a day almost everyday, 60% of the time I struggle to fall a sleep, I could be in bed for hours with absolutely no sleep.Over the weekends I can look down my apartment and see seemingly happy guys, obviously broke but playing basketball and having fun like nothing matters, sometime I wish I could just live freely but I can't. The point is happiness is not a function of wealth, poor people are as happy as rich people, infact poor people could possibly be happier than rich people, imagine if you didn't go to school and you lived in forest, you wouldn't even know how good life is suppose to be, you wouldn't even care about cars, nice cloths, status, traffic, career, homework, you would just be landing and eating!

Obviously, I can read people's status from the comment, to this kid wealth wasn't a factor in his happiness, he had the wealth so he didn't consider wealth as a privilage, but to someone else who is not wealthy, they would think wealth could make him happier no!
kyt
#20 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 5:04:32 PM
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Remindes me of a tweet i saw "today i committed suicide, am not trying that sh€t again, that stuff almost got me killed" HA!
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