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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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I realized that I couldn't reply too this post and I think Adm is going to far in limiting my freedom of speech.
Anyway, I cannot disagree more with Nabwire, I think the basis of Nabwire argument and to the extend alot of other Africans is flawed, there is no other continent where people starve to dead apart from Africa, so face it. I don't like when I see the commercial but it on us, look at how we defend corrupt leaders, so if you don't like what you see then change it!
Nabwire, you listen too much to your Politicians, Africa is messed up because of Africans not the West. Look at how we behave, we throw trash everywere littering the whole country, our priorities are messed up. Last summer I visited Moi Teaching and referral Hospital, 3 people were sleeping in one bed, 3 sick people because there were so many sick people and no space! I was devastated! I walked across the street and purchased a newspaper and the front page was the VP shuttle diplomacy for ICC lobby, the second pages was complition of VP mansion and PM office renovation! what kind of people are we? How can we honest live like that?
Blaming the West is an insult to my intelligence.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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First of all LOL that you cant post on the other thread. Then you have actually put words in my mouth and went on and debated yourself over things I didnt even say. I dont blame the West for Africa's problems, I do call them out on hypocrisy and exploitation. So since Kenya is full of corrupt officials, we should let NGO's exploit the needy to finance their year long safaris? Why dont you comment on the NGO's which was the subject matter, and not try to distract us with cheap politics?
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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@Nabwire Obviously you cannot look a few cases of NGO and advocate against NGOs, Alot of NGOs have done what our government have not done, so I am not going to focus on those NGO that reaped people off. Hypocrisy? how can you even say that. What exploitation? we African exploit one another more than anyone else does, no one is exploating us we're selling our own self short, so don't blame the west!
I know you're fairly smart based on you post here but I am surprised you still think that somehow someone else is exploiting us!?????? Stupid people get exploit, I do not think we're stupid I think we're hypocritical, we turn a blind eye on some things and scream about other things! We love the rich even when we're poor, we side with the rich and leave the poor even when we are the poor.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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Animal Farm. Its all in the farm. What will the Beasts of Kenya do?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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Drunkard your train of thought is so way off, that I dont even want to debate you. Like YesuWangu has said, please read the Animal Farm if you havent already. So coz Africans exploit each other, we shouldnt mind if the West does? Newsflash, there is nothing that the African does that the Westerner hasnt done ten times over!! If its corruption, they just call it fancy names like lobbying, and the beloved Capitalist system is based on fleecing the ignorant to benefit the smart, otherwise if everyone was smart, Capitalism would not work as smoothly. So give us a break with the whole the Westerner is just doing what the African does, how come the African isnt allowed to do what the Westerner does?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/15/2011 Posts: 4,518
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@ Nabwire I really enjoy reading your arguments. You have facts up there. The Worst way to judge a charityLow administrative costs could indicate prudence and sound judgment at a charity. It could also indicate inadequate staffing, insufficient salaries etc. We are intuitively inclined to believe that the nonprofit sector is filled with soft, amateurish executives, we latch on to the pseudo-science of administrative costs as a measure of excellence. It's hogwash; there is absolutely no way of telling that an organization with 5% administrative costs is superior to one with 20% costs based on that criterion alone. In fact, the exact opposite may be true. According to the National Center for Charitable Statistics: "For better or worse, the percentage of total expenses going to program costs is the most common measure of nonprofit organizational efficiency. Focus group research has found that donors expect worthy organizations to have low fundraising and administrative costs. Consequently, nonprofits frequently tout their low overhead ratios in their mailings to the donors." Or on their websites. This is why costs can't be used as a yardstick to rate an NGOs. http://www.latimes.com/n...404881_member_113929100
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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Nabwire wrote:Drunkard your train of thought is so way off, that I dont even want to debate you. Like YesuWangu has said, please read the Animal Farm if you havent already. So coz Africans exploit each other, we shouldnt mind if the West does? Newsflash, there is nothing that the African does that the Westerner hasnt done ten times over!! If its corruption, they just call it fancy names like lobbying, and the beloved Capitalist system is based on fleecing the ignorant to benefit the smart, otherwise if everyone was smart, Capitalism would not work as smoothly. So give us a break with the whole the Westerner is just doing what the African does, how come the African isnt allowed to do what the Westerner does? @Nabwire, first capitalism is not based on fleecing the ignorant, so adjust your assumptions, secondly, African are not allowed to do what the westerner are doing because they haven't earned the right to, that is how the world works so face it. To make the point clear, when you are poor your opinion doesn't count even if it is a good idea, it could be unfair but that is unwritten terms of the game. In life everyone try to gain an edge over the next person, the first step into gaining an edge is understand what you can control and what you cannot control, focusing on what you cannot control is a waste of energy. So before we as Kenyans and Africa start focusing on what the West do or don't do, we have to first focus on what we do or don't do then we can now look outside. About the NGOs, these people also get up every money to fundraise so they have a right to make money off it too!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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Essyk my argument is not just based on the percentage that goes to administrative costs, I think we both agree that even if the admin costs are high but the NGO is effective thats allowed. There's a post doing rounds on FB where a recepient of NGO aid has a placard asking "Why are we still poor?" I think focus should be put on this. Plus I dont see the reason why majority of the staff has to be flown in all the way from the West, yet there are so many educated and unemployed Kenyans. If you are fighting poverty, wouldnt it make sense to hire the local people, coz lets be real, NGO duties are not exactly rocket science. It all boils down to exploitation and year long safaris
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/26/2011 Posts: 759
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@Nabwire, why would you even care what NGO does? Go out there and create your own value, F the NGOs and yes some people depend on them so lets not demonize them yet individually we don't need it, I don't need the NGOs but someone else need it, if I want to donate, I do it to redcross or salvation army knowing well that their CEO make close to $ 1 million, which is still atleast 20 times less than my CEO.
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Rank: User Joined: 5/3/2011 Posts: 559
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First of all its not his own dollar, without the image of the dying, starving child he would not have gotten those donations. And the people donating are thinking that their donations are going to the starving child, not towards "Administrative costs". And next time you are required to pay exorbitant fees so you can beg for a visa to go to Western countries, or when Africa is called a backward/dark/basket continent, please dont complain or when you are always short changed in the business world coz your image is lacking. Its not as simplistic as you are looking at it, and its amazing that you call yourself(Africa) a beggar and inadvertently raise the mzungu to a superior status. Sometimes you cant be mad at the mzungu for thinking of himself as superior, how much easier can you make it for him to eff you up over and over?
Nabwire....... come on you can do better than these, I work with Wazungus everyday, they do not think they're superior to me because I am Black, what I do speak for itself.... your fear for Mzungu is evident by your strong resistance, keep you mind open, no one progress with your line of thinking! Gooosh!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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I dont feel lie having idiotic debates, where did I say I was afraid of wazungus? So what you work with them? Is that supposed to make your opinion count? Always deviating from the subject!
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Rank: User Joined: 5/3/2011 Posts: 559
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@Nabwire, now I am having idiotic debates, no emotions here... no hard feeling, I used the word (evident by) meaning I have drawn a conclusion about you and unfortunately I just think you're so much into, Mzungu this Mzungu that. Mzungu is a human being like you why can't you exploit them too? Atleast a number of people have called you out on this issue honestly we should be past Mzungu this Mzungu that times..... you're still a little behind.
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