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Safaricom Investment Cooperative
Mshika Dau
#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:48:31 PM
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mozenrat wrote:
I have my doubts... We calculated the dividends paid to a friend who is a member of SIC and it was coming to about 35%... Also most Saccos declare earnings in two ways.. Interest on deposits and dividends on shares... there is no such structure in SIC


You might want to consider 10%/15% withholding tax on dividends and interest before lifting an accusing finger.
mozenrat
#12 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 9:11:52 PM
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Mshika Dau wrote:
mozenrat wrote:
I have my doubts... We calculated the dividends paid to a friend who is a member of SIC and it was coming to about 35%... Also most Saccos declare earnings in two ways.. Interest on deposits and dividends on shares... there is no such structure in SIC


You might want to consider 10%/15% withholding tax on dividends and interest before lifting an accusing finger.


If the issue is WHT at 15%, then my friend should have received 38.25% not 35%. and by the way a significant portion of the dividends were paid in form of bonus shares which I don't think are subject to WHT
BGL
#13 Posted : Tuesday, May 22, 2012 11:30:05 PM
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Currently a share is going for Ksh200
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Hunderwear
#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:18:48 PM
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mozenrat wrote:
Mshika Dau wrote:
mozenrat wrote:
I have my doubts... We calculated the dividends paid to a friend who is a member of SIC and it was coming to about 35%... Also most Saccos declare earnings in two ways.. Interest on deposits and dividends on shares... there is no such structure in SIC


You might want to consider 10%/15% withholding tax on dividends and interest before lifting an accusing finger.


If the issue is WHT at 15%, then my friend should have received 38.25% not 35%. and by the way a significant portion of the dividends were paid in form of bonus shares which I don't think are subject to WHT


so what was their rate and how was it paid?
bird_man
#15 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:23:30 AM
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That rate of 42% is just too high!
Invest 1 Million & make Ksh.420,000 annually (35k per month)?Interesting.

What do they invest in to give such returns?
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
mozenrat
#16 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:23:25 AM
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bird_man wrote:
That rate of 42% is just too high!
Invest 1 Million & make Ksh.420,000 annually (35k per month)?Interesting.

What do they invest in to give such returns?



Nah my friend, assuming they actually paid 42%, only an investor who already had 1,000,000 in contributions at the beginning of the year would have received 420K otherwise if you contributed 35K a month beginning Dec of the previous year, you should have received about 102K by my calculations.. thats what prorated means
QW25091985
#17 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:32:03 AM
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ans that name looks dubious ! ati SAFARICOM INVESTMENT COOPERATIVE ????? looks like a sham smells like a sham

but you know what gets people scammed - the greediness for quick money
Gathige
#18 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:32:58 AM
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@ bird_man

As highlighted by hunderwear"significant portion of the dividends were paid in form of bonus shares". From their website, they seem to be dealing more in real estate and its is normal to make such returns if you buy land in bulk and subdivide and sell. Their plots seem to go very fast as i tried to buy once and they were all gone in a short while.
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bird_man
#19 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:13:43 AM
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@QW25091985 ....not everything is a scam.

@Mozenrat,true,even in most Saccos prorating is a must.
@Gathige...I notice membership is largely for Safcom affiliated people.Have you seen other individuals joining?
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
Muheani
#20 Posted : Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:42:36 AM
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QW25091985 wrote:
ans that name looks dubious ! ati SAFARICOM INVESTMENT COOPERATIVE ????? looks like a sham smells like a sham

but you know what gets people scammed - the greediness for quick money



...Its Not a Scam.

There exists the Safaricom Sacco and Safaricom investments Coop.



The SIC- started on advisory from the Coop Ministry - (saccos cannot be investment vehicles as per the ministry) paid 42%, however, i believe what went out to the shareholders was 10.5% in cash and 31.5% in bonus shares.

The Safaricom Sacco paid its members 11% rebates

Membership to the two
Saf Sacco- Min 3k Monthly plus 5k share capital paid up in 3months.

SIC
Min 3k monthly plus 60k share capital paid in 3months.

Membership open to employees/spouses and Other corporates with a minimum 50 members eg google kemya employees are members of the Saf Sacco



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