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KENOL KOBIL .... 2012
cnn
#621 Posted : Saturday, May 19, 2012 4:37:08 PM
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BGL wrote:
cnn wrote:
@BGL...you in KK?,strange things do happen.


Stocksmaster is my mentor and i watch his moves keenly.

I remember during the discussions here, for and against KK on its battles with KPRL and KPC you sounded like you could easily have injected some lethal vaccine to KK defenders.
BGL
#622 Posted : Saturday, May 19, 2012 5:07:29 PM
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cnn wrote:
BGL wrote:
cnn wrote:
@BGL...you in KK?,strange things do happen.


Stocksmaster is my mentor and i watch his moves keenly.

I remember during the discussions here, for and against KK on its battles with KPRL and KPC you sounded like you could easily have injected some lethal vaccine to KK defenders.


Instead of vomiting ujinga go to the archive and fish out the specific thread to support your allegation.
History will not remember you for your IQ. It will remember you for what you did. “Genius is 1 percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration.” Thomas Edison
cnn
#623 Posted : Saturday, May 19, 2012 6:37:30 PM
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BGL wrote:
cnn wrote:
BGL wrote:
cnn wrote:
@BGL...you in KK?,strange things do happen.


Stocksmaster is my mentor and i watch his moves keenly.

I remember during the discussions here, for and against KK on its battles with KPRL and KPC you sounded like you could easily have injected some lethal vaccine to KK defenders.


Instead of vomiting ujinga go to the archive and fish out the specific thread to support your allegation.

Lol..you took the lethal vaccine term too seriously,you did accuse Segman of being high handed for confronting the problems in the industry at the highest level.
And how much do insults add to your plate?
BGL
#624 Posted : Saturday, May 19, 2012 6:46:30 PM
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cnn wrote:
BGL wrote:
cnn wrote:
BGL wrote:
cnn wrote:
@BGL...you in KK?,strange things do happen.


Stocksmaster is my mentor and i watch his moves keenly.

I remember during the discussions here, for and against KK on its battles with KPRL and KPC you sounded like you could easily have injected some lethal vaccine to KK defenders.


Instead of vomiting ujinga go to the archive and fish out the specific thread to support your allegation.

Lol..you took the lethal vaccine term too seriously,you did accuse Segman of being high handed for confronting the problems in the industry at the highest level.
And how much do insults add to your plate?


Segman is a tough man and that is what you need for a CEO in the OIL industry. Although i never used such words, then i had conflicting interests. Now i am a KeKe shareholder so its natural that interests have also changed.
History will not remember you for your IQ. It will remember you for what you did. “Genius is 1 percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration.” Thomas Edison
Jamani
#625 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:00:12 PM
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Is the company repurchasing stock in the open market? When companies buy back their stock, it's usually a good sign that management feels the stock is undervalued.

Share repurchase programs are usually a good sign that better times may lie ahead. Just ask yourself, would you rather buy a company that is repurchasing its stock near its 52-week low, or one that refuses to buy back shares in spite of having the cash to do so?
QW25091985
#626 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:44:44 PM
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is puma energy listed in any stock exchange ? i'd really like to see how the stock is performing
Jamani
#627 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2012 2:06:56 PM
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QW25091985 wrote:
is puma energy listed in any stock exchange ? i'd really like to see how the stock is performing


read #604
QW25091985
#628 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2012 2:25:54 PM
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Who is saying puma is listed in the london stock exchange. Shame on you , lol .
Jamani
#629 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2012 2:48:46 PM
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No one is saying it is listed..... the advise implies when it gets listed where it might be listed and what you might pay..
BGL
#630 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2012 3:02:31 PM
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If you look at this brochure from the parent company Trafigura Holdings http://www.trafigura.com...2011_060112_spreads.pdf
you will realise that these people are not only interested in the oil business but are are also looking at the massive coal deposits at Mui Basin in Kitui County. What is even more interesting is why a company with a turnover of USD 122Bn as at 2011 is still private.

What would happen if the minority shareholders which comprise 30% of listed shares are defiant. The defiance may be due to half-truths that (my man) J.I.Segman spread by promising bringing on board a strategic investor. A strategic investor acquires a stake does not take everything when a company is on exponential phase of growth.
History will not remember you for your IQ. It will remember you for what you did. “Genius is 1 percent inspiration, 99 percent perspiration.” Thomas Edison
Jamani
#631 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2012 4:20:19 PM
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This one is not for sell....... not now...
QW25091985
#632 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:03:32 PM
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BGL wrote:
If you look at this brochure from the parent company Trafigura Holdings http://www.trafigura.com...2011_060112_spreads.pdf
you will realise that these people are not only interested in the oil business but are are also looking at the massive coal deposits at Mui Basin in Kitui County. What is even more interesting is why a company with a turnover of USD 122Bn as at 2011 is still private.

What would happen if the minority shareholders which comprise 30% of listed shares are defiant. The defiance may be due to half-truths that (my man) J.I.Segman spread by promising bringing on board a strategic investor. A strategic investor acquires a stake does not take everything when a company is on exponential phase of growth.



and i thought i was the only one who noticed that . Kumbe there's more than meets the eye !
then that esop plan id concluded in split seconds ! kk shareholders should feel cheated !
for me i better just invest in what i understand.
sparkly
#633 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:26:45 PM
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Jamani wrote:
This one is not for sell....... not now...


I have a feeling that this takeover will not go smoothly...

The minority are being forced to give up a stake in a very promising, very Kenyan company.

Couldn't the majority have worked on a structure that enables the minority to retain their interest?
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QW25091985
#634 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:32:52 PM
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sparkly wrote:
Jamani wrote:
This one is not for sell....... not now...


I have a feeling that this takeover will not go smoothly...

The minority are being forced to give up a stake in a very promising, very Kenyan company.

Couldn't the majority have worked on a structure that enables the minority to retain their interest?


i agree the majority were given something better obviously to what they had in kk otherwise how would they agree to let go of such a good company but for the minority they are just left with nothing ! so bad .
mjuaji wa stocks
#635 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2012 7:44:50 PM
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I am a shareholder but i feel i am being cheated here.

Guys wanatupora our own company and now i am convinced that the majority shareholders may have received a share swap - then use kk to grab our oil and coil - halafu wao watakuwa watetezi wa kk kwa corridors of power when the resources are going out.

Just like mobitelea and anglo-fleasing - this co maybe on its way to becoming a phantom one.

I am being informed by the CV of Trafigura which i highlighted ealrier

http://wazua.co.ke/forum.aspx?g=posts&t=18749

Now, i personally have no reason to celebrate yet.

Given the option - i will sack segman and co and keep kk under kenyans ownership.

How do we sell one of our own co with a bright future to foreigners.

Kwa kweli - jungus wamerudi tukiona - - and we africans foolish as we are ---- tunawakaribisha kwa mbwe mbwe -

Is there any co in europe owned by africans ans which is in the key economic sector of that country??


God gave me the power to make wealth ... Blessed the work of my hands & enabled be A SELF MADE BILLIONAIRE ...... TO GOD THE FATHER OF MY LORD JESUS CHRIST; BE THE GLORY NOW & FOREVER MORE!

jerry
#636 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:25:09 PM
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@mjuaji wa stocks,do you think Stella will save KeiKei!?
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
gatoho
#637 Posted : Sunday, May 20, 2012 11:34:37 PM
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BGL wrote:
If you look at this brochure from the parent company Trafigura Holdings http://www.trafigura.com...2011_060112_spreads.pdf
you will realise that these people are not only interested in the oil business but are are also looking at the massive coal deposits at Mui Basin in Kitui County. What is even more interesting is why a company with a turnover of USD 122Bn as at 2011 is still private.

What would happen if the minority shareholders which comprise 30% of listed shares are defiant. The defiance may be due to half-truths that (my man) J.I.Segman spread by promising bringing on board a strategic investor. A strategic investor acquires a stake does not take everything when a company is on exponential phase of growth.


I don't hold any meaningful no of KK, but For sure I aint selling
Foresight..
VituVingiSana
#638 Posted : Monday, May 21, 2012 12:16:49 AM
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@mjuaji - Suggestion.

If you (& your friends, chamas, SACCOs) offer s/holders a HIGHER price than Puma, then go see CMA, prepare a bid at a higher price, then ask s/holders for their shares.

Most Minority s/holders will sell to the highest bidder.

In my opinion, the following conditions have to be satisfied:

1) The Bid Price has to exceed the last traded price (In excess of 12.50)
2) The Bid Price has to exceed the NAV/share (after revaluation of ALL assets especially the real estate)
3) The Bid Price has to take into account a reasonable Price/Earnings Ratio [based on several factors including growth potential, stable (excludes one-off) earnings, long-term debt yields]

Segman has been a great manager & grown KK & its profits for years. He has the balls to fight corrupt managers & officials in MoE, KPC, KPRL, etc unlike most other OMCs. Compare to Total!

'Local' management has decimated s/holders in Kenya Airways. The Board of Directors (exclude goK & KLM) have less than 25,000 shares!!!

1) The shares trade 67% below NAV/Share.
2) The profitability varies wildly as they dabble in derivatives/hedges they know nothing about. Emirates does not mess around with hedging. They run the business, not the balance sheet!
3) The Directors & Management own very few shares in KQ but earn HUGE salaries & perks (free flights for family members) which are paid no matter what happens to profits or share price (Segman has 100mn+ options so share price is critical to him)

Please, please offer s/holders MORE than Puma. This will force them to increase the bid if they want to buy KK. If you (& your friends, chamas, SACCOs) 'win' then KK remains 'Kenyan' but minorities get paid a better price! Winners all around!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#639 Posted : Monday, May 21, 2012 8:20:18 AM
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Minorities who want to continue holding kk/puma.
You are protected by the law you dont have to sell. That way you can continue holding the kenyan company and its future potential.
I dont see any wrong segman has done. Kk will still exist as a subsidiary of puma and u can still remain a shareholder. Kk is a company whose main purpose is to make profits and grow and that's excatly they are doing.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
guru267
#640 Posted : Monday, May 21, 2012 8:41:30 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Minorities who want to continue holding kk/puma.
You are protected by the law you dont have to sell. That way you can continue holding the kenyan company and its future potential.
I dont see any wrong segman has done. Kk will still exist as a subsidiary of puma and u can still remain a shareholder. Kk is a company whose main purpose is to make profits and grow and that's excatly they are doing.


@Aguytrying Thank you for informing the paranoid masses..
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