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FundamentAli
#1 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 4:28:22 PM
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How many of you have sang along to Cindy Laupers tune 'True colours'? Sounds a very innocent song. See rink below for the true meaning

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/pow...-politics-101823622.html
mkeiyd
#2 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 4:38:53 PM
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FundamentAli wrote:
How many of you have sang along to Cindy Laupers tune 'True colours'? Sounds a very innocent song. See rink below for the true meaning

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/pow...-politics-101823622.html

@FundamentAli, I think you are twisting facts. The song being a befitting theme song, doesn't mean it was written for or in support of gays.
Below is an excerpt from your link.
All in all, i loooove the song.

"They wanted to use it and I told them not to. I am worried about certain songs being used for politics because certain songs are healing songs," Lauper said. "And you don't want anyone to think about politics, you want them to think about their soul and their heart."
But Lauper has had a change of heart herself, given the president's announcement.
"In this moment, with what he said, if there was a theme song [for the moment], it would be 'True Colors,' " she said.
Kratos
#3 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 4:42:36 PM
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The other day i came across this song and it really blew my mind, just as I wanted to download it I read the comments section and realized it actually has nothing to do with God and the lyrics left a sour taste in my mouth, am sure a lot of us have sang along to the chorus not knowing what is actually in the verses.

Here is the song ..Link
and here are the lyrics...Link

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Impunity
#4 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 5:23:36 PM
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So Cindy is a socketing socket?
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alma
#5 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 6:16:11 PM
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at this rate, even Kigeugeu will end up being a song about sockets...aiii!
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
jimmy1
#6 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 7:17:52 PM
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Kratos wrote:
I read the comments section and realized it actually has nothing to do with God and the lyrics left a sour taste in my mouth

copy & paste..........
The song does not specifically talk about God. As I found from Wikipedia, Cohen's original version contains several biblical references, most notably evoking the stories of Samson and traitorous Delilah from the Book of Judges as well as the adulterous King David and Bathsheba: "she cut your hair" and "you saw her bathing on the roof, her beauty in the moonlight overthrew you".
As interpreted by Francis O'Brien:
The first part:This relates to the story of King David who was had an intimate relation with God and was also a great harp player (secret cord/pleased the Lord). The hallelujah at the end of this verse is a happy and spiritual one.
The second part:In this part Cohen relates to the story of David and Bathsheba when David was walking on the roofs he saw her bathing and seduced her ending up committing adultery and lost a lot of influence and weakened his link with god (broken throne). Then we move to the story of Samson who gets his hair cut and loses all his powers, once again, a broken throne. In this verse, the hallelujah is a very sad and desperate one.
The third part:In this part Cohen talks about the ambivalence of love and its effect on your faith. It can be glorious like a flag on a marble arch or it can be cold and broken. And when in heart break you may lose or strengthen your faith, in this case it is strengthened because he still praises the Lord in the end. In this case, the hallelujah is (obviously) cold and broken.
The fourth part:This is an obvious reference to sexuality and that even through an act as disgraceful as sex you can still praise the lord. In this verse the hallelujah can be interpreted as an “orgasmic” one.
The fifth part:In this part, he has found what to believe in and realizes his past errors but he is ready to face the Lord because he now has complete faith. This hallelujah is one of total faith and love for “the Lord”.
Whether Hallelujah is spoken in complete blissful faith or is from broken desperation, its goal is to praise the Lord and it means the same and are all equal.
Kratos
#7 Posted : Monday, May 14, 2012 8:04:04 PM
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jimmy1 wrote:
Kratos wrote:
I read the comments section and realized it actually has nothing to do with God and the lyrics left a sour taste in my mouth

copy & paste..........
The song does not specifically talk about God. As I found from Wikipedia, Cohen's original version contains several biblical references, most notably evoking the stories of Samson and traitorous Delilah from the Book of Judges as well as the adulterous King David and Bathsheba: "she cut your hair" and "you saw her bathing on the roof, her beauty in the moonlight overthrew you".
As interpreted by Francis O'Brien:
The first part:This relates to the story of King David who was had an intimate relation with God and was also a great harp player (secret cord/pleased the Lord). The hallelujah at the end of this verse is a happy and spiritual one.
The second part:In this part Cohen relates to the story of David and Bathsheba when David was walking on the roofs he saw her bathing and seduced her ending up committing adultery and lost a lot of influence and weakened his link with god (broken throne). Then we move to the story of Samson who gets his hair cut and loses all his powers, once again, a broken throne. In this verse, the hallelujah is a very sad and desperate one.
The third part:In this part Cohen talks about the ambivalence of love and its effect on your faith. It can be glorious like a flag on a marble arch or it can be cold and broken. And when in heart break you may lose or strengthen your faith, in this case it is strengthened because he still praises the Lord in the end. In this case, the hallelujah is (obviously) cold and broken.
The fourth part:This is an obvious reference to sexuality and that even through an act as disgraceful as sex you can still praise the lord. In this verse the hallelujah can be interpreted as an “orgasmic” one.
The fifth part:In this part, he has found what to believe in and realizes his past errors but he is ready to face the Lord because he now has complete faith. This hallelujah is one of total faith and love for “the Lord”.
Whether Hallelujah is spoken in complete blissful faith or is from broken desperation, its goal is to praise the Lord and it means the same and are all equal.


C&P
Cohen has said of the song's meaning: "It explains that many kinds of hallelujahs do exist, and all the perfect and broken hallelujahs have equal value." ....Link

Other meanings as interpreted by all and sundry....Link

On Leonard Cohen's religion....
Cohen has been involved with Buddhism since the 1970s and was ordained a Buddhist monk in 1996; however he is still religiously Jewish: "I'm not looking for a new religion. I'm quite happy with the old one, with Judaism."[88]Link

Quite confusing all this d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! d'oh! Sad

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
dasany
#8 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:17:35 AM
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Alexandra Burke also did her version of Halleluiya very beautifully and she went on to win the 2008 X Factor Final. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaWLsgxDzuw
YesuWangu
#9 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:43:53 PM
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Wow! One member stated in a different thread that lyrics are poetry, or something like that. Whoever wrote those lyrics or poems then put a lot of thought into constructing them. The words are not there by mistake. They should be deconstructed and unpackaged as such.
muganda
#10 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:05:03 PM
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@FundamentAli, True Colors was the only song in Cyndi Lauper's second album that she DID NOT write.

The song was written by Billy Steinberg about his mother (with Tom Kelly's help).

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=3101

FundamentAli wrote:
How many of you have sang along to Cindy Laupers tune 'True colours'? Sounds a very innocent song. See rink below for the true meaning

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/pow...-politics-101823622.html

FundamentAli
#11 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:59:34 PM
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muganda wrote:
@FundamentAli, True Colors was the only song in Cyndi Lauper's second album that she DID NOT write.

The song was written by Billy Steinberg about his mother (with Tom Kelly's help).

http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=3101

FundamentAli wrote:
How many of you have sang along to Cindy Laupers tune 'True colours'? Sounds a very innocent song. See rink below for the true meaning

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/pow...-politics-101823622.html



@Muganda, the song has adopted for political use. Innocent as it may have been intended, it is now an anthem for those who live an alternative life style. You would be associated with such a group unknowingly

Below is a extract of an interview by the song writer
Billy: Another interesting thing was that the artist India.Arie used to perform "True Colors" in her concerts. I wish she'd record the song. Cyndi Lauper told me over the telephone, "You have no idea, when I play it live it's almost like a gay anthem." I guess more than any other song that Tom and I wrote, that one seems to have the most universal appeal.
alma
#12 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:23:37 PM
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Why bring up the old topic dressed up as new?

Again facts are getting lost in this thread as the previous one. It seems some guys must push an agenda however silly it sounds.

Follow Muganda's link. Cindy lauper didn't write the song and the author of the song has stated why he wrote it.

So you lose out on those, not one, but twos facts. Now you bring in the issue of gays adopting a song. So if you sing the song, you are gay or support gays.

Its like complaining that liverpool "you'll never walk alone" was created to make all humans liverpool fans. Or Manchester City's "blue moon" was written to destroy man united.

Some of the arguments I see on this forum border on the ridiculous or fundamentalism of the worst kind.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
Kratos
#13 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:45:30 PM
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alma wrote:
Why bring up the old topic dressed up as new?

Again facts are getting lost in this thread as the previous one. It seems some guys must push an agenda however silly it sounds.

Follow Muganda's link. Cindy lauper didn't write the song and the author of the song has stated why he wrote it.

So you lose out on those, not one, but twos facts. Now you bring in the issue of gays adopting a song. So if you sing the song, you are gay or support gays.

Its like complaining that liverpool "you'll never walk alone" was created to make all humans liverpool fans. Or Manchester City's "blue moon" was written to destroy man united.

Some of the arguments I see on this forum border on the ridiculous or fundamentalism of the worst kind.


Dude/Ma'am why do most of your posts sound so bitter? Iko nini? Relaxxxxxxxxx...........

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
alma
#14 Posted : Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:47:04 PM
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the word is disgusted not bitter.Shame on you

Getting to understand the low level of informed opinions on wazua is shockingPray

And understanding that some of us are driven by blind hatred and dribble is mind boggling. Liar
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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