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2012 Q2 - Mini-Rally or Dead Cat Bounce?
VituVingiSana
#1 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:52:06 PM
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I am not a chartist but it seems to me that there is a mini-rally going on BUT it could be nothing more than a dead cat bounce. Remember elections are coming up in Dec 2012 or March 2013. Add the huge deficit to the books of GoK.

Offers have dried up for many counters especially the 'quiet' counters including Williamson, City Trust, etc

Bid volumes have increased [not the bid prices]

The Kenol Takeover announcement has galvanized investors into looking at stocks vs T-Bills/Bonds whose yields have dropped from the 18-20% range to 13-16% [This has a long way to go].

The KES has stabilized but this seems pegged on high interest rates. What happens if the interest rates drop? Will the cash look to exit to other money markets?

Are folks 'exiting' the Real Estate market (no new investments) & looking at stocks as an alternative?

Your thoughts?
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#2 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:08:16 PM
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@VVS, good point and you are an apt student of behavioural finance. In fact, I've often wonder whether an investor needs a mastery of psychology or analysis.

Safaricom has such an impact of the market. Then you consider 'Kenya has oil', everything looks green... until...

hisah
#3 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:27:33 PM
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CBK and treasury are the curve balls at the moment... They need to work as a team so that the financial direction of the nation is clear.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
itz
#4 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:30:12 PM
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I think the rally is done for now as eurozone problems are back on the forefront but your cue should be as has been mentioned above when fund managers rotate back to equities from fixed income.I think they are still cautious on getting back in equities as they have guaranteed 12-15% in fixed income.Also if CBK continues with the tightening it will choke the economy but am sure not many people believe this.
youcan'tstopusnow
#5 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:43:29 PM
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VVS, I wouldn't say people are 'exiting' Real Estate (no new investments). On the contrary, there seems to be a whole multitude of mammoth projects in the pipeline...
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VituVingiSana
#6 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:01:17 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
VVS, I wouldn't say people are 'exiting' Real Estate (no new investments). On the contrary, there seems to be a whole multitude of mammoth projects in the pipeline...
I am wary of these 'mammoth' projects.

1) Will financiers finance new projects at 25%? [risk of default]
2) Can developers afford to pay 25%?
3) Will buyers come in when interest rates from T-Bonds are 15%+ while some CPs pay 18%?
4) Are people still buying off-plan?

Tatu City has heavy hitters who have both cash, influence & an operational history. Konza City is GoK, which has taxpayer cash.

The others e.g. Migaa, Thika Greens, etc ... are they in the same category? Can they survive a period of slow sales/uptake?

That said... I was (very) wrong on Real Estate in Kenya since 2008 [I thought the post-PEV prices would collapse].


Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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#7 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:50:36 PM
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hisah wrote:
CBK and treasury are the curve balls at the moment... They need to work as a team so that the financial direction of the nation is clear.



Totally agreed. I have been trying to say this for months.

When treasury agreed to finance Thika Highway, many people wondered why the govt was spending all that money when Mombasa Highway looked like a more sure bet. The steel and other materials for the construction of Thika rdincreased imports and hence affected exchange rates.

It was obvious that the government was aware that oil wd be struck sooner or later hence Thika rd was to open the corridor to Northern Kenya and Lamu. But the information was never signalled to the markets. The USD exchange rate need not have shot to 107 against the Ksh. The net outflows out of Kenya due to the appreciation have affected many industries that will take time to recover. It is a pity that we did not even take advantage of the poor exchange rate to attract more tourists to Kenya.
QW25091985
#8 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:09:28 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
I am not a chartist but it seems to me that there is a mini-rally going on BUT it could be nothing more than a dead cat bounce. Remember elections are coming up in Dec 2012 or March 2013. Add the huge deficit to the books of GoK.

Offers have dried up for many counters especially the 'quiet' counters including Williamson, City Trust, etc

Bid volumes have increased [not the bid prices]

The Kenol Takeover announcement has galvanized investors into looking at stocks vs T-Bills/Bonds whose yields have dropped from the 18-20% range to 13-16% [This has a long way to go].

The KES has stabilized but this seems pegged on high interest rates. What happens if the interest rates drop? Will the cash look to exit to other money markets?

Are folks 'exiting' the Real Estate market (no new investments) & looking at stocks as an alternative?

Your thoughts?



Ohhh brother !!!!!!!!!!!!! give us a break . you have disqualified yourself from the word go . by saying " you are no chartist " and trust me there's no need to argue with that .
it s funny though out of curiosity is this the time you re realizing there's a rally going on ???
Now this is the JOKE Of the YEAR !!!!
Me is say if you think we are in a dead cat bounce please arrange with me and sell me your shares at low prices (especially KK , LOL) .and i'll be a very good custodian of the same

the turnover you we did for the 1st quarter was huge . really huge but hey how will you know that if your broker is dead asleep ?

we are n a bull market buy on any dips in prices
Aguytrying
#9 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 4:59:28 PM
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whatever this is i will come to such a painful and abrupt end. many will be caught . the levels of optimism have been built,fattening for the kill.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
VituVingiSana
#10 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:46:46 PM
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Dear @QW - Niko kwa KK bus. Not AK or Neveready. Tafadhali kimya.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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#11 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 6:05:14 PM
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Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly QW just own Up KeKe tuko mbele, dust yourself, learn from it.(palipo wazee hapaharibiki..
VituVingiSana wrote:
Dear @QW - Niko kwa KK bus. Not AK or Neveready. Tafadhali kimya.

Foresight..
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#12 Posted : Thursday, May 10, 2012 9:08:28 PM
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Keep an eye on the interest rates. There's always an inverse relationship between it and the stock prices.
Having said that, the stock market is a barometer of the hopes and aspirations of Kenyans & this oil thingy is jus fueling it.
My advice...keep riding on the positive sentiment currently ruling in the market till it calms down!
If u ask me, the stock market is the place to be now til end of Q3!
Then you'll have 6 good months to figure out when to take a plunge back to Equities!
@SufficientlyP
QW25091985
#13 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2012 6:22:11 AM
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LOL. guys try to be mature about your KK share .itsnot a ticket to heaven.
Now to more important issues me am wondering out loud . now who is worse me or guys w/o KK shares or somebody who is spotting the bull rally NOW (@vvs) ! wtf ?
dude either u need to have a change of broker or take your investment seriously .
you are a total embarrassment to the technical analysts around the world . Just stick to your fundermental analysis
VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2012 11:35:21 AM
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QW25091985 wrote:
Just stick to your fundermental analysis
Yes, my fundermental analysis Applause Applause
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
youcan'tstopusnow
#15 Posted : Friday, May 11, 2012 11:44:52 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
QW25091985 wrote:
Just stick to your fundermental analysis
Yes, my fundermental analysis Applause Applause

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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