Actually im not lashing out, she was just boring me with her lack of knowledge. Anyways, its all good.

@alma, psalms is nothing, u shld have said songs of solomon.

@Nabwire ...Well, it is possible that some of these artists have joined a sort of cult - and they are forced to give up creative control of their work, use drugs and do other questionable acts; Usually cults have a belief system, and a totalitarian leader; - so the artists could be paying homage to the leader, or whatever religion/practices the leader represents;
Could it be Satan? Yes. Evil? Possibly. It could also be something else - certainly none of that stuff looks christian in the traditional sense; Yet I don't think anybody here can claim to know 100% what it is, which is why labeling it this or that is contentious. People can believe what they want, it is their soul after all and they are entitled to take whatever measures to protect it, but they are not entitled to call those who don't subscribe as ignorant - this is how intolerance begins; In the recent past, there was this cult that gassed people because they had examined astrological movements and believed some alien ship was coming to collect them. Nothing to do with the devil, just a bunch of lost people.

Going back to the symbols in the video,...the secret societies like Illuminati, these have existed for ages. Why they were formed is not clear, after all they are secret societies. See what Wikipedia says about Illuminati in popular culture:

The other symbols, like the eye, they too have a long contentious history. The origin of christianity and its rise to the fore of world religions is littered with revolts, propaganda, resistance and massacre. At some point christian worship was illegal, I believe @alma or someone else pointed this out. By patronage of Constantin, it was legalized.
http://en.wikipedia.org/...tine_I_and_Christianity

This is how these symbols became evil in the Christian religion. If a person can subscribe to any religion, Hindu, Buddhism, why not the pre-Christianity ones? Have the symbols been subverted to mean something else? As outsiders do we know? Nobody is answering these questions

So, we have hype, history (or ignorance of) and deep faith. 2 entrenched camps and possibly we'll never agree.

And NaS is GOD'S SON

Now let me go bump to some CARRY THE CROSS or even beter, ILLMATIC

Ok...I accept. Bii Nabwire

Can we now move on to the solution please. What is the solution to this "problem"?

Since questions will remain unanswered at least lets wait patiently to be told the solutions.

As for QW, the only thing that can save this fellow is posting the word SCAM, recommending Access Kenya and abusing married women.

So Nabwire, what's the way forward?

This thread reminds me of the time that people used to say Moi was a devil worshipper because on the 20 bob coin, yeye anaangalia left na Kenyatta anaangalia right.

Before you shout "IGNORANT", would you do yourself some favor and backup your arguments with some "facts"? Shouting "ignorance" ain't a fact.
My point was, if being Godly is what you strive to achieve, stop wasting time looking for signs and symbols. Use that time seeking Him. He's more powerful than ANY symbol/sign ever designed or ever to be designed.
He's the Almighty, the All Powerful.
Spending time searching for signs/symbol could be misconstrued for lack of faith in your god.
Kwani hana nguvu juu ya ushetani?

On to the signs, they are many QW. If you were to know all of them, your life would be unlivable.
Just coz the signs/symbols have been used to worship the devil, doesn't mean the devil owns them. The devil "owns" them as afr as his followers are concerned.
You can only be a conscious follower, otherwise its just a sin. Like looking at a well endowed lady lustfully.
If to the Moslems the pig is a "cursed" animal, we can't have pork?
Do you know the fertility rite/Ankh?
The witch sign,as in how you signal phone call using your hand?
The Chinese Ying Yang?
Pentagram?
Arms raised?
Arm and hammer?
Beehive?
Bull?
Crescent?
Cube?
X sign?
2 lines?
Lightning sign?
Fist under chin?
Dragon?
Red and black?
Mirror,as in mirror image?
Swastika and the VW[Volkswagen] sign?
EU [European Union] and the Tower of Babel?
Sun [jua] and the Nissan car sign?
Oak leaves and Olive branches?
Dog?
Compass and a Square?
Etc etc etc etc.
Going by just a few, how many of the above signs are part of your everyday life?
Do you now consider yourself a devil worshiper?

If the above signs are a drop in the ocean of 'satanic' signs/symbols how many more out there are part of your everyday life? They are many, sooo freaking many.
Where does that leave you? You tell us, the "ignorant ones". We would really like to be enlightened.

Next time under stocks you talk of a "bull", now you know its "satanic".
Rem the bull they have in Wall Street? That's "satanic".

What do you suggest we call the next rally in the stocks market?
Billy? As in billy goat?

Bottom line, seek Lord your God and don't waste God given time chasing the devil, coz he[the devil] is everywhere in everything.
Its his world, God gave it to him to rule.
But your heart, your soul, is God's. Its His temple. Keep it clean for Him. The time you spend chasing devils sign,the Lord's temple gather dust.
Trust in Him,have faith in Him, the rest He'll take care of.
Don't cheat yourself knowing signs will help you beat the devil in this game, he's been around for over 6,000 years. What chance do you have?

The lyrics of ´maria maria´ are innocous, the video is clear with no obscure imagery. But what about the song?

....Some may have snickered when Carlos Santana, the psychedelic guitarist of the 70's, informed the public that an angel named Metatron had prophesied his return to pop dominance. After last night's 42nd Annual Grammy Awards at the Staples Center here, there are going to be a lot of young musicians praying to Metatron..... The first paragraph of the article.

......Although Santana maintained a core classic-rock audience that supported him on the road, it had been nearly two decades since his last radio hit. In interviews, Santana spoke of an angel, Metatron, who had told him that he was destined to spread the positive message of music to younger listeners through the radio...... 11th paragraph of the article.


The interview that is talked about in these 2 links is HERE

In this interview please notice in the 6th paragraphth assertion ¨Metatron, who has been mentioned in mystical disciplines through the ages, also appears as the eye inside the triangle¨. Also notice that he, in the third paragraph, also mentions Jesus as if by doing that he will make it alright for those suspicious. He basically talks about what or who inspires him when doing his music.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone....a-20000316#ixzz1tn5tAYjz

Now we know that the other side played a role in creating his music. His came out like that. What about the others' music? How have they come out?


So Nabwire is right when she in so many words mentions that artistes, even the Grammy award winners, do more than meet the eye especially those who seemingly get runaway success. Yes including, especially, the so called gospel artistes, preachers etc.

I am skeptical of those who bandy ´Jesus´ about. Those who tell you concentrate of God, let go let God, etc. I dont just accept them like they want to be accepted. I dont want to be lulled into a false sense of security. Because like Eve, you will not be overwhelmed with force or display of might but with cunning.

Alma is also right when she, like me, takes to task those who purport to do Godś work like preachers,Carlos Santana etc to out them. I am not sure if Nabwire or QW need outing. I dont know.

And those making jest of the supernatural, dont trouble trouble, let sleeping dogs lie....you know those idioms.... there is enough trouble on the way coming already.