Now on Hope FM Rev Tom Otieno discussing this issue.

So this thread has been turned into believers vs non believers rhetoric. Its funny how when you cant win with facts, you change the topic. The original clip was there to show symbolism that is perverse in the music industry, I didnt put it up to make you stop listening to music, just to make you aware of what you are listening to, what you do with your life is inconsequential to me. And the clip clearly said that nothing will happen to you if you continue listening to that music, atleast nothing will happen to you physically. But subconsciously, there's alot that happens. Its clear most of you havent even watched the clip but are just spewing at the mouth. Alma I wish you could go cook some ugali or something, you are really boring me with your nonsense. Symbolism is not there for you the human being, its an attempt of the devil to compete with God and brag that His people are following the devil albeit unbeknownst to them. So you can take the message or leave it, it doesnt really matter to me.

i think its time we rested this thread. its served its purpose and everybody has had his/her opinion on the matter.

aii Nabwire...I thought you were all loving and caring. Following after the footsteps of Jesus...I'm hundred percent sure Jesus loves me and would not tell me to go cook some Ugali or something. I'm sure your intent was to curse me...I would have said something like "go f... yourself".

Like I said, understanding is a hard topic not taught in schools. You read you are supposed to love the heathens, then you go ahead and condemn them in public.

As for scout_boy, poetry and music is not like one of your pastors sermons where they pick what they want and declare the rest demonic.

That song is about anger. And its probably one of the best poems ever written. With all the anger that a young black man goes through living in the USa.

Since you have never lived there, that song will have absolutely no meaning to you.

So this is what I think, which will be the last contribution to this now boring thread. Seems like a Sunday.

There are those christians who prefer to do good stuff to all, including the "bad" ones. There are those christians who prefer to look for the "bad" stuff all around them.

Its a big difference. Doing and imagining. The results are usually very plain for everyone to see.

Since scout_boy has decided to give us the devilish part of a song to show us a "devilish" intent.

Can he also go ahead and tell us exactly which "pastor" or "man of god" in Kenya can cure HIV? Just by sending mpesa.

Which of the two Notorious BIG, or the TV "pastor,bishop" is better?

I know he has his opinion. I have mine.

Have a blessed and loving week. And love your neighbour as much as you damn love yourself. Especially when they listen to music from JayZ and wear "devil" symbols. You might save someone from the grips of Saitan.

I'm in the school of thought that a good man is judged by the content of his character not the quoting of Bible verses.

Alma dont make assumptions, where did I say I was all loving and caring? Just coz im anti symbolism and mind control, doesnt automatically mean that im an extremist Christian. Your attempts at sarcasm are juvenile at best, I would have told you to STFU but I chose to be civil. You are the one with understanding issues, you brought in your cucu and pastors , this was never a religious topic but you were determined to make it into that. We get it, you're atheist, do you want a medal to go with that? And as someone living in the US, that Biggie song is sickening, and it has absolutely no meaning to me. Or now you are glorifying rape and murder?? Get over yourself! Ati poetry!! Once again, go cook some ugali or wash some dishes, im sure thats atleast one thing you are good at. Trying to call everyone else brainwashed when you castigate everything Christian/ religious coz you think its hip to be atheist. You actually sound very silly when you profess that you own very many JayZ cd's, is that supposed to be an accomplishment?? So I guess when you finally get a chance to attend his concerts at the Madison square, you'll be untouchable huh? Go sit down somewhere!!!

...somehow threads here degenerate to a circus!

..i like cooking ugali..

Alma ,

Sorry ,I have lived in the States and came to experience 1st hand the life in the ghettos.
The anger you claim is rife here can be channeled to better use by getting a decent education like the Ben Carsons of this world.

Comparing Jay-z with the televengalists is missing the point.

The harm done by the televangelists has little trickle down effect as compared to what these rappers promote.
The vices they propagate affect us daily the cursing,the drug abuse,use of violence etc.

Am sure you have been a victim of such at one point.

smh.
Now what has ugali got to do with the devil?
Is it a symbol too?

I highly doubt that.
It's not ignorance,it's plain provocation.
Getting into each others nerves to get reactions.
We all know these symbols and can differentiate the good from the bad.
I think people who interpret anything odd as belonging to the underside take to the extreme.
But again,it's the spirit's work to discern not our minds,eyes or ears.