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Why are agricultural stocks so cheap?
hooverrl
#1 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2012 3:03:33 PM
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Hello all,

I'm struck by how low the market is pricing agricultural stocks.

I review some of the cheapest stocks in this post:

Why Are Kenyan Agricultural Stocks So Cheap?

Any feedback would be much appreciated!

Thanks and Happy Investing!
Ryan
tony stark
#2 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:38:42 PM
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Interesting blog post despite the rosy picture your painting of agricultural stocks there are several negatives.
Unreliable weather which will is now becoming reliably unreliable. All this stocks were hit by the drought and were devalued prior to your time frame where you state "41.8% gain during the same time frame" Link.

Your post also looks at book value as a measure of the company. The problem with agricultural stock is how they value their agricultural asset. The value fluctuates so much and simply said I cant trust the figures. Maybe it because i rely on my high school account but biological assets are accounted for in an unclear manner.

Finally is the lack of liquidity in the agricultural stocks (Mumias doesn't fall into this category despite you classifying it as such)The value is therefore not easily influenced with market sentiments. I thik this is actually the main reason.

Anyway welcome to posting on Wazua!
hooverrl
#3 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:21:40 PM
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Thanks for taking the time to respond and for your kind welcome, Tony. Wazua looks like a great forum.

I can understand that unpredictable weather patterns would make investors cautious, especially if they were burned before. But this risk would seem to be adequately discounted at present levels.

Calculating book value for agriculturals is problematic, I agree. Biological assets fluctuate with the global market price, which results in big changes to the balance sheet each quarter. I wonder if accountants use the market value of the assets as of report date or if they use a historical average?

You're probably right on about liquidity. I failed to mention that in the article. It's rare for any of these stocks (apart from Mumias) to trade more than 1 million shillings in a day. That keeps a lot of the big guys away. But it offers us small guys some nice opportunities!

BTW, why isn't Mumias considered an agricultural?

Thanks again for the feedback!
VituVingiSana
#4 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2012 8:36:10 PM
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Mumias is primarily an agro-processor. It's nucleus estate is relatively small & supplies a small portion of their cane for crushing.

This may change if TARDA takes off.
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hooverrl
#5 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:08:21 PM
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Ah! Many thanks. I didn't realize that. Does TARDA seem likely to come to fruition?
Cde Monomotapa
#6 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:47:26 PM
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Ah! Many thanks. I didn't realize that. Does TARDA seem likely to come to fruition?

From what I know, there have been some legal hurdles that have held it back which have been settled. The project will need debt, internal & equity finance. The investment case IMO is that it will be under irrigation so it'll be all year round, Tana River area is in the coastal region thus, higher temps will ensure shorter maturity periods with higher sucrose content. Ofcourse the value chain will surely be replicated i.e co-gen, ethanol e.t.c but in a larger scale than at MSC currently. Implementation dates are key probably a further mention in the up coming FY to June results.
hooverrl
#7 Posted : Thursday, April 26, 2012 11:00:50 PM
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Very helpful. Much appreciated, Cde!
sparkly
#8 Posted : Friday, April 27, 2012 12:10:46 AM
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@hooverrl look at the BIGGER PICTURE and you will see why. This may come as a shock yes i know, but Kenyan agricultural companies are just COLONIAL FARMS with feudal lords in Britain.

The controlling companies are British the directors are British and the market is British. The only thing that is kenyan is the SOIL and the LABOR.

Let me explain.

Pre and post independence the british farmers owned the farms in the so called white islands. The listed agricultural farms are just the tip of the iceberg. There are hundreds of others.

At independence most of the farmers just relocated to England and constituted themselves into companies in Kenya and in UK. This is why the controlling shareholding is so tightly held and the disclosures are so poor.

So the farm is in kenya but the owner is in the UK. The market for the farm produce is also in the UK so what to do? Transfer the profits to the UK in form of management fees royalties and interest on loans. Just google TRANSFER PRICING and see...
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hooverrl
#9 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 5:40:41 PM
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Thanks, Sparkly. Very interesting angle. But why do these companies bother to remain listed on the exchange?
guru267
#10 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 7:31:43 PM
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sparkly wrote:
So the farm is in kenya but the owner is in the UK. The market for the farm produce is also in the UK so what to do? Transfer the profits to the UK in form of management fees royalties and interest on loans. Just google TRANSFER PRICING and see...


Dont forget the 50bob (Shs450million) divi by WTK after selling Williamson House... All the proceeds are currently sitting in a UK bank...
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sparkly
#11 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 7:57:17 PM
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hooverrl wrote:
Thanks, Sparkly. Very interesting angle. But why do these companies bother to remain listed on the exchange?


Its just a simple but effective way of going around the land laws.

In Kenya, the sale of Agricultural Land is regulated under the Land Control Act which came into force in December 1967.

Generally any sale, leasing, subdivision or mortgage of agricultural land must be approved by Land Control Boards.

In additional any issue, sale, transfer, mortgage or any dealing in the shares of a private company or a co-operative that owns agricultural land is controlled.

The Land Control Act was aimed at regulating sale of agricultural land to foreigners or to private companies owned by foreigners.

As a matter of principle, requests to sell agricultural land to a foreigner or a company controlled by a foreigner is refused!

A request to sell shares of a company owning agricultural land to a foreigner is also refused.

A public company or a listed company for that matter does not face this limitation. Hence the UK shareholder can sell his shares in WTK or Kakuzi to another investor in the UK or USA without any restrictions.

BTW on the TRANSFER PRICING, Kenya Revenue Authority KRA has been targeting the Agricultural Companies for Transfer Pricing violations.

This means that the companies are forced to report their true profits in Kenya or KRA will adjust their profits and tax payable in Kenya upwards. This explains why all the agricultural companies now seem to be making profits and their valuations based on Earnings are so low.

INVESTORS HAVE NOT REALIZED TIMES WHEN THE AGRICULTURALS USED TO REPORT CYCLICAL AND ARBITRARY PROFITS IN KENYA WHILE SHIFTING THE REAL PROFITS ABROAD ARE LONG GONE.

You know what that means right? just buy and wait for the market to realize the new changes! Stocks should be fully valued in 3-5yrs in my estimation.

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VituVingiSana
#12 Posted : Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:39:33 PM
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guru267 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
So the farm is in kenya but the owner is in the UK. The market for the farm produce is also in the UK so what to do? Transfer the profits to the UK in form of management fees royalties and interest on loans. Just google TRANSFER PRICING and see...


Dont forget the 50bob (Shs450million) divi by WTK after selling Williamson House... All the proceeds are currently sitting in a UK bank...
Huh?
1) Kenyan banks pay much better rates than UK banks [even for forex]
2) The KShs 450mn was about the same paid out as an interim dividend.
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guru267
#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 02, 2012 7:25:46 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
guru267 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
So the farm is in kenya but the owner is in the UK. The market for the farm produce is also in the UK so what to do? Transfer the profits to the UK in form of management fees royalties and interest on loans. Just google TRANSFER PRICING and see...


Dont forget the 50bob (Shs450million) divi by WTK after selling Williamson House... All the proceeds are currently sitting in a UK bank...
Huh?
1) Kenyan banks pay much better rates than UK banks [even for forex]
2) The KShs 450mn was about the same paid out as an interim dividend.


@VVS I was simply pointing out that since the main shareholders are british/foreign most of the 450mn interim dividend must have been posted/transferred to foreign banks...
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VituVingiSana
#14 Posted : Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:55:14 AM
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guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
guru267 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
So the farm is in kenya but the owner is in the UK. The market for the farm produce is also in the UK so what to do? Transfer the profits to the UK in form of management fees royalties and interest on loans. Just google TRANSFER PRICING and see...


Dont forget the 50bob (Shs450million) divi by WTK after selling Williamson House... All the proceeds are currently sitting in a UK bank...
Huh?
1) Kenyan banks pay much better rates than UK banks [even for forex]
2) The KShs 450mn was about the same paid out as an interim dividend.


@VVS I was simply pointing out that since the main shareholders are british/foreign most of the 450mn interim dividend must have been posted/transferred to foreign banks...
Not necessarily.
1) Once a dividend is paid out, it's no longer Williamson Tea's 'cash' & any shareholder) can do as they please. I re-invested it. Others may buy a car, etc. It matters little to the Company whether it's in a local bank, foreign bank or under a mattress.
2) I am not sure of the tax rules but there may be an advantage to hold the dividend in a 'personal name' vs WTK - which pays corporate income tax on the interest - then additional w/holding tax on distributions.
3) If you can enter into an advantageous forward or swap position, then there is a HUGE incentive to invest in KES paper when banks pay 18% or T-Bills at 16%. Then at some point convert to forex when KES 'weakens' as we come closer to elections.
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guru267
#15 Posted : Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:08:51 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Not necessarily.
1) Once a dividend is paid out, it's no longer Williamson Tea's 'cash' & any shareholder) can do as they please. I re-invested it. Others may buy a car, etc. It matters little to the Company whether it's in a local bank, foreign bank or under a mattress.



Oh but it does matter.. If the main shareholders are foreign then a foreign economy benefits from the proceeds of the 450mn and yet the money was earned on Kenyan soil..

As long as the divi is converted to a foreign currency and spent/saved/invested in a foreign economy then Kenya definitely loses..
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VituVingiSana
#16 Posted : Wednesday, May 02, 2012 4:21:45 PM
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guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Not necessarily.
1) Once a dividend is paid out, it's no longer Williamson Tea's 'cash' & any shareholder) can do as they please. I re-invested it. Others may buy a car, etc. It matters little to the Company whether it's in a local bank, foreign bank or under a mattress.


Oh but it does matter.. If the main shareholders are foreign then a foreign economy benefits from the proceeds of the 450mn and yet the money was earned on Kenyan soil..

As long as the divi is converted to a foreign currency and spent/saved/invested in a foreign economy then Kenya definitely loses..
Then you should stop all foreign trade & do not ask for FDI. The Ugandans, Rwandans & Tanzanians would make the same argument about Kenya's FDI.

Capital should be free to move. The alternate is easy [& I would support it] is a local buyer pays me [& the 'foreign owner'] a fair price for my shares/assets. I will then look for other investments.

If I am restricted to investing in KEnya (instead of EAC, UK, USA, etc] then that is no longer the best 'use' of my money.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#17 Posted : Wednesday, May 02, 2012 4:25:21 PM
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guru267 wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Not necessarily.
1) Once a dividend is paid out, it's no longer Williamson Tea's 'cash' & any shareholder) can do as they please. I re-invested it. Others may buy a car, etc. It matters little to the Company whether it's in a local bank, foreign bank or under a mattress.


Oh but it does matter.. If the main shareholders are foreign then a foreign economy benefits from the proceeds of the 450mn and yet the money was earned on Kenyan soil..

As long as the divi is converted to a foreign currency and spent/saved/invested in a foreign economy then Kenya definitely loses..
BTW, we EXPORT out tea & the UK is a huge/major buyer so restrictions on trade/repatriation may mean we are not allowed to sell to the UK.

When Kenyan 'restricted' or taxed imports of rice from Pakistan [some COMESA thing], they 'blocked' our tea in favor of Sri Lanka (& even some from India). This hurt us as we had to fight back [after rolling back the COMESA restrictions] to gain market share. Some buyers never returned since they had found an alternate supplier.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
hooverrl
#18 Posted : Wednesday, May 02, 2012 6:07:36 PM
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Thanks again, Sparkly. Quite a valuable education in transfer pricing's impact on Kenyan agriculturals.
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