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The Music industry exposed.
dnn
#81 Posted : Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:13:58 AM
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HOPE U DONT USE PEOPLE TO 'JUSTIFY'/REASSURE URSELF ABOUT NOT TAKING FAITH STEPS. IT'S GOD N U DIRECTLY RELATED AS LONG AS U BREATH ON UR SET OF LUNGS....''do not engage in endless discussions''....to what purpose
YOU SHOULD NOT MAKE FAITH DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT U SEE THOSE PEOPLE DO (though yes-they should be good examples) AS THEY R HUMANS LIKE U: WHAT IF PEOPLE LOOKED AT U-WHAT WLD THEY SAY.
Nabwire
#82 Posted : Sunday, April 29, 2012 8:24:42 AM
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And by the way Christianity did not borrow from the Torah, Christianity is based on the Torah. Jesus was actually a Jew and if you study His teachings, he bases His teachings on the Torah but Jews did not believe in Him so He went off and formed Christianity,ironically the Romans embraced Him which made the Jews dislike Jesus even more. But this is not a religious education post, just thought I should set stuff straight. And the books that were left out of the Bible are called the Apocrypha.
I wish someone could post the Disney logo so you can clearly see the 3 6's, stop trying to downplay everything I will ask my professor about this issue, hopefully he will give more insight but atleast I know for sure those secret societies exist. The debate should focus more on what their motive is. I dont really have a problem with their existence, what I have a problem with is them trying to initiate us into their world without our knowledge or consent, thats deception.
digitek1
#83 Posted : Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:00:33 AM
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Freemasonry is not a secret society. they are located hapo Serena B if you are interested.
they have secrets but are not a secret Society
I may be wrong..but then I could be right
Snazzy
#84 Posted : Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:50:23 AM
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@Nabwire if Christianity is based on the Torah why dont we keep the 613 Torah commandments?eat only kosher?have bar and bat mitzvahs?have segregated worship for men and women? etc

Jewish faith goes beyond belief,it is something you inherit because only people born from Jewish parents ,meaning one or both are considered true Jews.It is as much a product of culture/heritage as it is spiritual.

Christianity also became a state religion in Rome only thanks to Constantine and since he picked the one that most resonated with him,he left many others out which were present at that time.
Dont ask your professor for information,find out for yourself.In these days where information is all over no one holds a monopoly on the truth.Read for yourself.

We should stop labelling everything we do not understand secret.
Everyone with doubts about free masonry needs to make a visit to the free mason temple,i remember them saying they welcome visitors.Go see for yourself what they are all about.

Emperor Nero was once the 666,bar codes were symbols of satan the intrigues will never end on what 666 stands for ,yet the book of revelation was almost knocked off the Bible because people debated its message.Imagine how differently we would be seeing the world today without imagining the "devil in every detail"

“You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.”

― Anne Lamott
holycow
#85 Posted : Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:58:03 PM
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digitek1 wrote:
Freemasonry is not a secret society. they are located hapo Serena B if you are interested.
they have secrets but are not a secret Society


Yap, Freemasons are always highly misunderstood.

http://www.dgleastafrica.org/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17272611

@Alma
I like you sober arguments.
harrydre
#86 Posted : Sunday, April 29, 2012 5:16:28 PM
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It's a personal choice, if you choose to listen to songs that glorify sex and money, then there are high chances you will come across the devil and satan worshippers. After all he was an angel like the rest and he has his followers. Otherwise stick to gospel or other basic music like the smooth jazz and love songs.
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kyt
#87 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 12:10:28 AM
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why would a sane man listen to songs that glorify bitches hoes sex and drugs? seriously? the same things that are destroying our society? u must be insane to listen to such kind of music...end of story.
LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
Nabwire
#88 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 12:28:56 AM
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Snazzy you definitely know how to dodge bullets! So now are you agreeing that secret societies do exist? So now you are on to arguing on the Christianity is based on the Torah concept? Based on means that it originated from Jewish traditions and then evolved into something else. Jesus was a Jew and He thought that the Jews would accept His teachings and follow Him, but they didnt, so he formed a sect and His first followers were Jewish. When Christianity took over from paganism as the religion of the Roman Empire, thats when a dramatic shift between Judaism and Christianity took place. My point is Christianity did not just borrow from the Torah, Christianity like Islam is based on the Torah, the old testament is the Torah! And please stop implying that this is an extremist Christian type of post, coz im nowhere close to being religious, I just like to ask questions and make my own judgemnts.
Ceinz I wouldnt really say that Bankers are evil. I love Capitalism and its just based on greed, bankers are greedy and exploit anyone who shows ignorance. I know you are implying that since Jews run Wallstreet, they control the world and are thus evil, in this instance I think they are just greedy, which in business is a good thing.
scout_boy
#89 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 1:59:13 AM
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Snazzy,

Quote:
@Nabwire if Christianity is based on the Torah why dont we keep the 613 Torah commandments?eat only kosher?have bar and bat mitzvahs?have segregated worship for men and women? etc

Jewish faith goes beyond belief,it is something you inherit because only people born from Jewish parents ,meaning one or both are considered true Jews.It is as much a product of culture/heritage as it is spiritual.


you have answered the question you posed i.e the reason christians dont follow this kosher laws is basically that some of them are jewish culture/customs.

Here are few facts:

-Judaism and christianity are not found in the Bible.


-Satan is mentioned a couple of times in the old testament:
e.g
Zechariah 3:1
Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at
his right side to accuse him.

1 Chronicles 21:1 Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.



Like most of the old testament ,ideas that are portrayed in the text,they are not fully developed.For instance themes such as:
-The role of the jews vs the gentiles
-Eschatology
-life after death.
etc.
are not lucid enough.
This is where the New Testament came in to seal such loops in our understanding.To rival this the talmud and midrashes of this world
multiplied and hence the rise of judaism.Rabbinical judaism.


-Christianity was not made an official religion under constantine but was made a legal religion i.e persecutions were stopped.


The New Testament was written by the jews themselves from the inspiration of Jesus.Go through any concordance and see the numerous references to Old testament(Tanakh) both in thoughts and words.


The two faiths are thus interlocked.Actually in one way christianity can be said to have put jews on the map.Think of all the empires of old the Egyptians, babylonians,the greeks,the persians mentioned in the OT .
Where are they now?They all pale in comparison to the jewish empire which is everywhere from business ,science ,philosophy ,Entertainment etc.



Vky and Tokyo,

Suppose,someone calls the Police and tells them there is a bomb placed inside parliament.It will not be correct for the police to ask the anonymous caller for more evidence.For the safety of the nation they would rather swing into action and sweep the whole of parliament looking for the bomb.

The point am making is that the burden of proof falls on you to go out there and prove God/Devil doesn't exist.


The spirit world exists otherwise we as humans would have discovered ages ago to be a hoax.The hordes one sees on t.v being healed must be to a large extent real because as humans we quickly identify what works and what doesn't.
These faith healers and sorcerers before they gain prominence they "market"themselves through word of mouth i.e they rely on individuals that can vouch for their expertise and mostly have experienced this spiritual world themselves...
Nabwire
#90 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 2:09:41 AM
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Wow Scout boy, I wish you could do my finals for me, you have a good grasp on Judaism. By the way Im not sure if the word devil does not exist in the Torah, but I know they do reference sheol, which means hell. So we are just arguing over technicalities.
scout_boy
#91 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 2:37:19 AM
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Back to the issue of music,


Most people do not bother reading the lyrics to the songs they listen to.Sample this from
Biggies Dead Wrong song;

....There's several different levels to Devil worshippin: horse's heads,
human sacrifices, cannibalism; candles and exorcism
Animals having sex with 'em; camels mammals and rabbits
But I don't get into that, I kick the habit - I just,beat you to death with weapons that eat through the flesh....

see
http://www.azlyrics.com/...riousbig/deadwrong.html



By their own admission ,these artists confess to interact with the underworld.

Such HipHop music encourages violence,materialism and exploitation of women.


I was not much of a hip hop fan ,infact I was more into dance music/techno.I had to stop because the more I listened to the music and watch concerts I realised this genre promoted two things drug abus(especially illegal recreational drugs/designer drugs) and homosexuality.

The biggest dance nation is Holland.A country which has liberal views on use of such drugs.


On the Illuminati

watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDdqsf4TGCU
subzero
#92 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 8:31:31 AM
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scout_boy wrote:
Back to the issue of music,


Most people do not bother reading the lyrics to the songs they listen to.Sample this from
Biggies Dead Wrong song;




i've always listened and enjoy listening to such music, infact i like this particular song by notorious BIG,

I like the flow of the song and the beats.
♬♪♫

However, i have never noted the particular lyrics that you've pointed out.
So how has that been affecting my life?

It's more than 10 years since i first heard that song, i haven't engaged in drug abuse, devil worship or other vices
alma
#93 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 9:01:08 AM
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subzero wrote:

So how has that been affecting my life?

It's more than 10 years since i first heard that song, i haven't engaged in drug abuse, devil worship or other vices



Its coz you are ignorant and already possessed.Pray
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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#94 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 9:10:35 AM
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alma wrote:
[quote=subzero]
So how has that been affecting my life?

It's more than 10 years since i first heard that song, i haven't engaged in drug abuse, devil worship or other vices



are you a heathen or what ? you dnot believe in God ? you say you are a Christian (i am assuming ) and you listen to songs that are praising the devil and encouraging drug abuse and you feel nothing ?
then you arenot normal
mkeiyd
#95 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 11:00:20 AM
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smano wrote:
C&P

Occult and Prophetic Messages in Rihanna’s Umbrella

Dec 14th, 2008 | By Vigilant | Category: Vigilant Reports

Warning: the analysis of this song deals with very disturbing subject matters.

What is Rihanna’s Umbrella song about? First time I heard this song, I was confused. Is it about a woman’s unconditional friendship for her man? Is it a sexy song? At face value, it seems so. However, if you listen closely to Rihanna and Jay-Z’s words, you might notice that the lyrics do not make any sense. The vocabulary used in this song is not about a relationship between two lovers. The fact is, Umbrella is about a subject matter that is sinister, dark and disturbing: becoming possessed by evil.

What does under my umbrella mean?

In a nutshell, the song talks about a storm that’s about to take place and Rihanna offers her loved one protection under her umbrella. In this song, You can stand under my umbrella can have a sexual connotation but it mostly means You can be under my protection. When you are under something’s protection, this something has more power than you regarding your own security. You depend on it. It has control over you. It possesses you. The song is not about love between woman and man, it’s about being protected. It is not an equal relationship. The one that protects basically owns the person that is protected.





Analyzing the song

The first thing that you need to know about the song’s lyrics is that Rihanna sings the whole song but she actually takes on two roles. During the first half of the song, she plays the role of an evil entity that is trying to seduce and possess Rihanna. For the purpose of this analysis we’ll call this entity the Devil. The second role she plays is herself. So the song is basically a dialog between the Devil and Rihanna. The video of the song makes this very clear and we’ll explain how later.


What is possession?

Possession, in relationship to non-human entities deals with the phenomena wherein a non-human entity controls the human being through various methods. In possession, the human being cannot think for themselves. Instead, their thoughts are given to them by their possessor. We’ll see how the Devil tries and succeeds at possessing Rihanna in this song. There is a reason why the album is called Good Girl Gone Bad.

Jay-Z’s prophetic verse

So the song starts off with a verse of rapper Jay-Z. He plays the role of someone that has already been possessed and already under the umbrella of the Devil. Here’s his verse:

No clouds in my stones Let it rain, I hydroplane in the bank Coming down with the Dow Jones When the clouds come we gone, we Rocafella We fly higher than weather And G5’s are better, You know me, an anticipation, for precipitation. Stacked chips for the rainy day Jay, Rain Man is back with little Ms. Sunshine Rihanna where you at?


Explanation

No clouds in my stones Let it rain, I hydroplane in the bank Coming down with the Dow Jones

So the storm is in fact related to the economy and the financial world. Coming down with the Dow Jones reflects this situation. The Dow Jones is the main indicator of the health of the stock market. If it plummets, we can talk about a market crash. This reference is pretty eerie as it effectively predicts the crash of the stock markets that is taking place now, which is two years after the release of the song. We all know that, since September of this year (2008), the Dow Jones has experienced its biggest drops since the great depression. Here’s a random quote from today’s news (December 11th):

Stocks on Wall Street fell sharply on Thursday afternoon, with the Dow Jones industrials sliding 200 points, as investors weighed a lower sales outlook and a widening trade gap that could spell trouble for American businesses.

The fact that this song was made in 2006, two full years before even having signs of recession is strange. You’ll notice that the whole song has a pessimistic outlook concerning the future. Jay-Z is saying Let it rain, he doesn’t care about the financial crisis, he hydroplanes in the bank. In other words, while the bank is being flooded by this storm and people are drowning in it, he’s above the water and surviving the crisis.

When the clouds come we gone, we Rocafella

In other words, when the financial crisis will occur, we won’t be here to suffer through it. Rocafella is the name of Jay-Z’s record label. It also refers to John D. Rockefeller and his family, the biggest industrialists in American History and huge actors in the formation of the social-economic world we’re currently living in.

Many historians claim the Rockerfellers have engineered the crash of 1929 to be able to obtain a stronghold on America’s banking system. Congressman Charles A. Lindberg Sr. accurately proclaimed in 1930:

From now on depressions will be scientifically created.

We fly higher than weather And G5’s are better, You know me,

We fly higher than the weather means that Jay-Z cannot be affected by the financial crisis because he is above the problem. He enjoys a protection that makes him immune to the storm. The fact that he says WE fly higher than the weather implies that a select few can have the same kind of privileges he has. G5 is a kind of private jet so he will live in luxury even when the crisis strikes the rest of the world.

An anticipation, for precipitation. Stacked chips for the rainy day.

Jay-Z says here that he was expecting this major crisis (the precipitation) and so he has prepared financially to face it. It seems like he had prior knowledge of the events that would occur in the future. Is he talking about the recession that is happening now?

Jay, Rain Man is back with little Ms. Sunshine Rihanna where you at?

Jay aka Rain Man. He has been possessed by the Devil, contrarily to Rihanna, who he calls little Ms. Sunshine. Rihanna is the good girl. Jay-Z is already bad and he is asking Rihanna to join him.



So Jay-Z lyrics have NOTHING to do with love, friendship or any type of relationship. His lyrics talk about an imminent economic disaster and the fact that he is prepared to face it.


Rihanna’s lyrics

You have my heart And we’ll never be worlds apart May be in magazines But you’ll still be my star Baby cause in the dark You can’t see shiny cars And that’s when you need me there With you’ll always share

Rihanna sings this part, but it is actually the Devil talking to Rihanna. He is sweet talking her so she can accept the idea of the Devil entering her body. Here’s how we can translate the lyrics.

I love you Even if I’m not from your world, I’ll never be far from you, you may be famous and in magazines But you’ll always be MY star, nobody else’s Because when you won’t be successful anymore When you won’t be able to buy shiny cars and material things That’s when you’ll need my protection With you I’ll always share my riches

So the Devil is offering Rihanna a lifetime of riches and luxury, even when she’ll lose her popularity and stop generating money from her singing career. Tempting isn’t it?






Chorus

When the sun shines, we’ll shine together

Told you’ll be here forever

Said I’ll always be your friend

Took an oath I’m a stick it out till the end

Now it’s raining more than ever

But we’ll still have each other

You can stand under my umbrella

You can stand under my umbrella

(Ella ella eh eh eh eh)

Under my umbrella

(Ella ella eh eh eh)

Under my umbrella

(Ella ella eh eh eh)

Under my umbrella

(Ella ella eh eh eh eh eh eh)


Translation

When you shine from your success, we both profit from it I will always be part of you I will always be on your side I promised you I would protect you and I will do it as long as necessary Now the financial crisis is afflicting the world But I’m still here with you. You can be under my protection You can be under my protection

What’s up with the Ella Ella eh’s? It sounds catchy doesn’t it? The repetitive and hypnotic rhythm of this chant makes it very reminiscent of magical spells, conjurations or summons. It invokes the god El, short for Elohim, also known as Ba’el (the Master) an important figure in occult mythology. According to famous occultist Francis Barrett, Ba’el has the power to make those who invoke him invisible and he can make people wise. Does Ella backwards sound a little like Ba’el?

2nd Verse

These fancy things, will never come in between You’re part of my entity, here for Infinity When the war has took it’s part When the world has dealt it’s cards If the hand is hard, together we’ll mend your heart

All of your material possessions will never separate me and you You’re part of my entity, I own you, until the end of times When the crisis has ravaged the world When we’ll know the final outcome of the world If you’re in trouble, me and you will stop the pain

You’re part of my entity is very relevant here because entity is not a word in the vocabulary used between loved ones. Nobody will say to his/her lover You’re part of my entity. An entity is not human.

An entity is something that has a distinct, separate existence, though it need not be a material existence - Wikipedia


Here for Infinity also gives a non-human feel to the lyrics, as if this power doesn’t live or die, it is immortal.

When the war has took its part/ When the world has dealt its cards is a particularly gloomy passage. It basically predicts a terrible event that will strike severly the entire world and that will rearrange the way it will fonction afterwards.

Once again, we refer to a huge crisis that is about to occur and the Devil is trying to convince Rihanna to let her protect her.

Bridge

You can run into my arms It’s okay don’t be alarmed Come into me There’s no distance in between our love So go on and let the rain pour I’ll be all you need and more Because

This part is actually a dialogue between the Devil and Rihanna. It is difficult to notice because there’s not difference in the tone of voice. The video however gives a visual clue of the dialogue by reversing the image when Rihanna answers the Devil.

So, the Devil is telling Rihanna

You can run into my arms it’s okay, don’t be alarmed

translation:

You can come and seek my protection Don’t be scared of the crisis


Rihanna answers Come into me as in come inside of my body and possess me. Both Rihanna and Devil say There’s no distance between our love . The Devil is effectively now INSIDE of her, there’s no more distance between them.

And the Devil finishes by saying:

So go on and let the rain pour I’ll be all you need and more

translation:

Let the world get what it deserves, I’ll take care of you. So now that you probably gained another perspective on the song’s lyrics, we can proceed to analyze the video, which carry HEAVY symbolism and confirms the theory of the Devil trying to possess Rihanna. The video also adds a layer of interpretation by depicting the process of possession as a rape.

Analyzing the video

At the beginning we see Jay-Z with six black-clad women. As previously stated, Jay-Z is already possessed in the song. The six women represent Jay-Z’s thoughts being controlled.

The we see Rihanna dressed in black and wearing a top-hat, a visual clue to represent the evil entity, which is masculine. The long, claw-like fingernails give a sense of a demonic, ungodly creature. When Rihanna starts singing, she moves in sexually seductive way to reflect the Devil’s attempt to seduce Rihanna. He wants to possess her not only mentally but physically also.




The picture above is the explosion we see in the video right after the first verse. This explosion of chrome-colored liquid represents something truly disturbing: the rape of Rihanna by the Devil.

The picture above represents the rape of Rihanna. Dressed in white and thus embodying the good girl with values, Rihanna dances while performing defensive gestures. She is trying to protect herself from the chrome liquid, which represents the seminal fluid of the Devil. The liquid hits her a total of 6 times.

We then see Rihanna naked, covered in chrome-colored liquid. Rihanna has been raped by the Devil and covered with his semen. She seems in pain and not herself. On the picture above we see her inside a triangle. This is VERY symbolic. For occultists, an upwards triangle represents the phallus, the penis, male energy. Rihanna is inside the triangle. She is completely owned and under the spell of the Devil’s sexuality.

Look closely at the frame above. It appears very briefly at around 2:46 in the video. It is Rihanna on her knees, her head on the floor. It’s also something else: the FACE OF THE DEVIL! It has been made to look like Baphome (see image), who is an intricate part of occult mysteries. You see the two eyes, snout and the long horns. This frame has been digitally manipulated to look like this because it is anatomically incorrect. No human can assume this position in real life. This image has been placed on purpose and only for a fraction of second. Classic subliminal message.
So Rihanna has been raped and we saw the face of the Devil, so what’s next?
Rihanna has now become the Bad Girl dressed in black. She is surrounded by 6 black clad men (like Jay-Z at the beginning), to represent her state of possession. She dances suggestively with a closed umbrella, which represents a phallus. The Devil has won, he has taken over Rihanna. And she is asking for more. At the end of the song, Rihanna asks her rapists to come into her again. Sick.


It’s raining Ooh baby it’s raining Baby come into me Come into me It’s raining Oh baby it’s raining

The ooh baby makes it clear that we’re not talking about raindrops falling from the sky. It means she is wet and ready to welcome the Devil again inside her.

The analysis of Rihanna’s Umbrella was to prove the fact that the general public is blind to the hidden messages omnipresent in mass media. Kids from all over the world sing and dance to this song while registering unconsciously the hidden layers of symbolism.

Here’s the follow-up single of the Good Girl Gone Bad album. The second video picks up where Umbrella left. I’ll let you interpret it yourself.

Bum-bum bi-dum bum-bum-bi dum dum is a repetitive, hypnotic magic spell cast on you!

Bum = A bum, a hoboe Bidum = Be dumb


Bum bum, be dumb, bum bum be dumb dumb. Be stupid, stop thinking and let yourself become possessed.


Don't know how true this is....you be the judge.



Whaoh!
I will say this,
IF YOU CHOOSE TO READ EVIL, ITS EVIL YOU WILL READ.
Try "reading" too much in anything, and the devil will be right there.
I have heard it before.
The song Californication sung backwards is "satanic" and all.
The Ella ella in Rihannas umbrella song is the last 2 syllables of the word umbrella.
Of coz when you are under an umbrella you will be protected.
What other way to test one's love than a "storm"/hardship.
There's evil in everything if you choose to focus on that.
Even a simple "Hey chief" salutation will be read " the chief in blah blah blah means the devil" etc etc.
Live your life and forget about all those interpretation because virtually every symbol or pose has once been used for "devilish" ends.
That doesn't make the sign/pose "evil/devilish in itself.
Eg. Using some European theories to explain ear piercing when talking about a Turkana is utter ignorance.
Most things are as plain and simple as their face value.
If one listens to "bad" music but never ever understands the lyrics, how on earth is that person possessed? How is that person worshiping the devil?
Remember the good book ,Bible says, "Its not what enters a man's mouth that makes him evil, its what comes out".
In short, it is your deeds. Do you do evil/satanic deeds?
You cannot be a passive worshiper.
If you don't, go on, rejoice and live your life.
Otherwise these conspiracy theorists will make life unlivable.
Everything means something in satanic world.

Lolest!
#96 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 11:06:16 AM
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holycow wrote:

@Alma
I like you sober arguments.


Just because you agree with his point of view?

Let's not see the devil everywhere, but let's not ignore his cunning ways. You may be falling into the trap while justifying these things.
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
digitek1
#97 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 11:31:31 AM
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Lolest! wrote:

Let's not see the devil everywhere, but let's not ignore his cunning ways. You may be falling into the trap

after reading the vigilantcitizen i have become ' alert ' these things are here in kenya...look at the defunct celtels logo ...look at the new Kplc logo...even the eacabl logo ...
naendelea kuchambua Liar
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#98 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 11:35:16 AM
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@nabwire-am a huge fan of creed,whats your take on their song rain.
i think paul did adress this whole issue when he taught about eating food offered to the idols. he argues that by partaking whats offered to the idols doesnt make you an idol worshiper unless you are taking it consiously as a form of worship.
if you aint livin on the edge,you are taking too much space....
Snazzy
#99 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 11:41:39 AM
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The Bible has undergone very many translations and the Old testament's first writers had to find words that though present in Hebrew language were not there in the Greek and the Latin languages which were the first languages the Bible was translated in.
When you quote those texts remember it is all a matter of semantics.

My only worry about people who want to see the devil everywhere is when they ignore history and choose to attach meaning to no existent enemies.Also when you call people heathens ,aren't you going against the bible's teaching of "thou shall not judge" and remember Jesus said "let him who is without sin cast the first stone?
Yet "some Christians" are the first to throw stones at people who do not believe in their theories of the devil and his antics?

Christians who chose to ignore history and create theories over events that happened when they were not even alive have been the cause of much suffering among the Jews.Have they ever asked forgiveness for their anti Semitic messages and the suffering Jews went through ...no.How many Christian leaders today say it was wrong for Galileo to be called a heretic because he said the world was round like an orange and not flat like a chapati?none.
How many Christians used scripture readings to defend slavery?many

As i said before the book of revelation which many use to support their 666 claims almost never made it to the Bible.What if it was not there ?where would we be looking for the devil?

Christians are spending too much time spreading the "gospel" of how the devil is out to get them instead of living up to the principles Jesus taught.Just as ignorant Christians burnt so called witches at the stake,we are burning people at the altar of ignorance because they sing,draw,see the world in a way "we" do not agree with.

I know evil exists when men fail to do good and choose evil but the devil,i am yet to see or even meet him or his agents.

If you believe in being hypnotically mind controlled by cartoons and recruited into secret societies then you will also believe Pastor Deya's wife and her stories of miracle babies.

I have given up offering history lessons as it seems this was meant to be a discussion that only seeks to promote a certain point of view and not debate facts.

“You can safely assume you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.”

― Anne Lamott
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#100 Posted : Monday, April 30, 2012 11:41:47 AM
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since we are getting paranoid wacha niharibu kabisa

There are two snakes at the entrance to the Kenyan House of Parliament, A huge Masonic star at the entrance to the High Court, frogs and tortoise signs in the High Court.

TUMEKWISHA BASI!

What happened to the commission of devil Inquiry which Moi authorised, led by one Rev David Githii of PCEA??

Did the goverment arrest the devil??
"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.
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