the sad thing about this post is that we have very ignorant people who am sure its their first time reading a link between devil worship and their favorite musicians . anyway i cannot blame them because everyday is a learning day . just have a open heart to accommodate new stuff .
but they are surely diverting the purpose of this thread which is to throw the light at what really goes about in the music industry.
if you donot ming devil worshiper symbols in your favorite songs whynot wear a tshirt will all the symbols nicely printed on them or even put sticker of the symbols on your car or decorate your hose with them becasue to you who say there's no problem in devil worshipers symbols in music you can surely have them in your house and car !

Indeed, a look into history with a keen eye will clearly reveal the stealth activities of these operatives whose agenda is and has always been one:world domination. Right from the tower of Babylon, the Biblical tale which by the way is symbolic, of man wanting to ascend to the heights of God.
This failed attempt did not dampen their spirit. They first began as the illuminati, which at some point was banned. They later changed names to the freemasons. A closer look freemasons books will reveal to your their association and connection to the illuminati. Their mission still is: world dominanation. If you remember, during the tower of babel, God confused them through languages, somebody speaking in walalo another replying in Luhya... utter confusion. This time round they were wise, they invented a language that was impossible to be turned around, a language of the SIGNS -- square, all seeing eye, pentagram etc. This way they can communicate freely as they progress with their activities while we remain in the dark on what is happening. Indeed, their stategic positioning through out history has seen them in control of world economy through banking system. Through this they can continue to plunder from the masses, through central banks in the form of printing of currencies, worse still they can engineer stuff like market crash. The rumour that they had a hand in the world wars cannot be easily washed away.
Yes, this is just a nut shell, but if you dig through history you will get the nitty gritty and have an idea of what these guys are up to.

Michael Jackson's music was devilish,the late John Paul the 2nd was the 666,the world was to end last year, Christian evangelism at its worst.
Pat Robertson very famous for popularizing the myth of the New World Order and a lot of other American evangelist want to make Christianity a cloak and dagger affair.Where the devil is everywhere we look and Christians see the "enemy" in everything even on TV.

Now even poor Disney has been dragged into the mix and has been made an advocate of the devil,Walt Disney must be turning in his grave as we speak when people besmirch his name.
Now a little history....
Judaism from which Christianity borrowed 39 of the books in the old testament has no name for satan ,he is called the "hinderer" of good.He is in fact seen as a good fellow out to test a Jews' will to be good.
What then will a Jew make of the back masking,illuminati stuff Christians are screaming about ....nothing.

To secret societies
The French revolution was the perfect ground for secret societies when the church and French monarchy were abusing their power and mistreating citizens.The church and state which were operating as one were facing a lot of opposition .A lot of the critics of the church and monarchy were free thinkers like Voltaire(who hated Jews as much as he hated Christians) who stood up to the hypocrisy being exhibited by the church and Voltaire together with other thinkers were declared members of a secret society.The same way the MO1 government say enemies everywhere and got a use for the nyayo house torture chambers.Years later we realize the poor people whose balls were squeezed in those rooms were innocent and not dissidents.

The name Illuminati or the enlightened ones came from followers and fans of the French revolution in the German state of Bavaria and whose name has been dragged from history and turned into a mountain.
Now they have become a group of characters even poor cartoon characters who are the result of an active imagination on the part of the artistes who created them.

Free masonsry has wrongly been associated with devil worship,yet it started off as a trade union of sorts among stone masons in Scotland.How it became a secret society of devil worshippers beats me,read more about it here http://carnaval.com/masonry/history/

We need to read history before we allow people to pull wool over our eyes and then we start screaming murder at everything we do not understand.We may yet see people being burned at the stake by believers who believe everything they read.I remember in high school Catholics were headed straight to hell as we were told by other "saved" students and up to this day i continue to shake my head in wonder at the gullibility ignorance causes.

While it is wise to be very knowledgeable ,do not believe everything you read.And even when we read history we need to take it in the context of the time it took place.The witch hunting that took place in medieval times was out of ignorance,the people who claimed Mj was a devil worshipper out to claim the souls of their children were just confused by this black man who could sing and dance really really well.

And the Christians seeing secret societies everywhere and reading too much into symbols are just scared of a world that is not going as they think it should.

These are the same people who took Dan Brown's book The Da Vinci Code as truth when it was in fact a work of fiction and he himself has admitted that.He just took historical facts and created a story out of them.

Levitation,Alchemy,magic are all a part of human history and especially if you read South American literature there is a lot of blurring between the spiritual and magical.And if you really think very hard the spiritual and magical/miraculous happenings the line is very thin indeed

Relax people,do good,love your neighbour as you love yourself and the rest will sort itself out.
None of us not even Pat Robertson knows what exists on the other side,neither have either of them spoken to God,so stop seeing shadows where none exist and enemies even in cartoon characters.These people have taken history out of context

Now back to reading the Nag Hammadi scriptures which were left out of the Bible...

NB:Sorry for typos which i have tried to correct,i think faster than i can write

@Snazzy -
67 of the books in the old testament?
"...the rest will sort itself out" - sorry the rest will sort you out.

I see confusion in your comment between church and christianity.
The defination Jesus had for church is not what we call Cathoic, SDA, Pentecostal, KAG etc.

To Jesus, church is anywhere two or three (more) are "gathered in My (Jesus) name".

The name of Jesus is "The Prince of Peace". That disqualifies any christian (fanatic) fighting in the name of Jesus. Like the case in Nigeria or the so-called christians who were fighting with Muslims outside Jamia Mall and Mosque when the Jamaican Muslim cleric was being deported.

Jesus is also "His righteousness". That disqualifies the church-goers who give bribes, fornicate, commit adultery, kill, tithe and the many WORKS we do to feel right with God.

There's only one way to connect with God. Check link below
http://www.campuscrusade.com/fourlawseng.htm

Quote "Free masonsry has wrongly been associated with devil worship" - I hope you've checked your facts right. I seriously and sincerely hope you,as an individual, know what you have just posted.

"None of us ..... knows what exists on the other side" - which other side are you talking about?

Using your analytical method, I'd like to ask have you been to that other side to know it exists?

"neither have either of them spoken to God"

Using your analytical method, I'd like to ask, what proof do you have that they have not spoken/heard from God? Did God tell you that He never spoke to any of them?

New World Order? I hope the myth won't end when it comes to pass. It's already happening -One World Government, One World Religion, One World Currency.

I do not support the Pat Robertson approach because he is serving the implementers of "The System"

Check out these links:
http://www.jesus-is-savi...com/Wolves/700_club.htm
http://www.jesus-is-savi...olves/pat_robertson.htm
http://www.jesus-is-savi...n-cbn_psychologists.htm
http://www.jesus-is-savi..._robertson_finances.htm

SALVATION IS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST NOT Pat Roberson, TD Jakes, Joel Osteen,Rick warren and the many other false teachers,including our local 'plant-a-seed' crew.

I have apologized for my typos.

You seem to want to forget that before you got the Bible you have in your hand it went through a lot of editing and the exists very many different Bibles.
Check out the Jefferson Bible which has got to be the most fascinating version ever.

Do you know......
What Christians call the old testament is a few borrowed texts from what the Jews call sacred texts?
That the books available in the Bible today are there because a few men decided they fit into what they understood as Christianity then?
That if you read the Jewish sacred texts they provide as much spiritual food as the Bible,even more?

It is very surprising that all evangelical preachers who like to ignore history by the way like to quote "church is where 2 0r 3 are gathered".Ignoring the fact that in its earliest years Christianity was a subversive sect,like Mungiki is today because it went against what the rest of the population in which it started believed in.

All these links you provide are just someone else's opinion of what they think Christianity is and so they do not make sense to me.

As to what side i am on,that should not be your problem,it is mine.Christians annoy me sometimes,they think everyone needs to be evangelized,i personally do not.I have read the Bible cover to cover and understood it.Read very many other religious books,the history behind every religion known to man i can lay my hands on and believe you me,i do not need to be convinced which is the right side.

My post was not an analytical post,it was a contextual one because everything happens in context.Even the opinions expressed on this thread are to be taken into context.

Kenyans give too much credit to American Christian theology from where all myths are perpetuated and you forget the Christian right in America has an agenda and operates within a certain context.Everything it wants people to believe makes more sense to an American than to you a Kenyan.When you read all these Christian literature out there as a pastor,layperson and take it literally is indeed sad.Even the sermons on TV are preached within a certain context.

You deny yourself an opportunity to learn when you forget that rationalizing ,deep thought and reflection should come with everything you read,even in the Bible.

Take Jesus for example when he said "you do not put new wine into old wine skins".He knew they would burst but if he was alive today he would probably say do not let an unopened bottle of wine stay out for too long because it begins to taste bitter,get a new bottle if you want to enjoy a glass of good wine.It would make more sense that way as we no longer use wine skins to pack wine into.See the difference...context




Remember as i said Judaism from where Christianity was birthed has no concept of the devil/satan whatever you may call him. Christianity did not just spring up from nowhere it has evolved over the centuries ,you need to know where you came from before you know where you are going.

But what do you see nowadays?Christians seeing an enemy everywhere and in anyone who holds a contrary opinion to theirs.But the problem is not a Christian one it is in a lot of other religions too.

Jesus chose good over evil and that i think is the core message of Christianity which many have forgotten and chosen to engage in shadow boxing.

I am hoping the responses on this thread will not be to prove on what side the commentators are on but should be based on facts.Our beliefs are our own and the witch hunting that took place in Europe should have taught us,people will always use power even religious power to achieve certain ends.And just because someone does not believe the way i do does not make them a bad person.When you buy into everything that is labelled spiritual you fall right into the hands of the very same people who quoted the Bible when justifying slavery,anti-Semitism,racism the list is endless.

NB:The American Christian right/evangelicals should be very grateful to the free thinkers of the French revolution,whom today would be termed non believers and people on the "wrong side" because they were the precursors of the American revolution.

don't go over board my friend unless you really have no reverence for God you better watch your words . there's something about attacking men of God that will bring a curse on you .
am sure you did it out of ignorance .

to the christians in wazua, i would like to enlightened on wether the verses, deut 22:5, 1 tim 2:9-10, 1 cor 11:14, 1 cor 14:34; have any meaning to you and if they have, whats with all the blings in church, do you guys read the bible selectively??

@QW25091985 I agree with you on the music thing. Unless one is prepared to receive the truth, no matter how well it is presented it remains a fable.

However, on the issue of men of God, I'd like to repeat that the list I gave above is one of false teachers. They are the ones giving Christianity a bad name.

Jesus advised us to test the spirits. And we shall know them by their fruits. The same brood of vipers and Pharisees who stand at the door blocking people from getting in during the days of Jesus are here with us today.

Kindly research them too just as you researched on music. There's so much happening today especially in church, that I'd not like to expose here lest one who was about to give their life to Christ gets confused.

But I can give an example: church weddings>>The veil and rings are as pagan as paganism yet you find the priest or pastor leading couples to wear rings "in the name of the Father,the Son and the Holy Spirit".

Ignorance is a word that's being used a lot here. But I guess even that is subjective.

Please read. And read just more that what your favourite pastors and Imams have said. When someone says that a criticizing "man of god" is bad for your health, Someone forgot that Jesus went to a temple and threw a tantrum on them.

It is good to read. WIDELY.

Some of the comments here just make me believe why Ole Kiyapi should never come anywhere near presidency. The Kenyan education system has failed miserably.

No one reads. Everyone wants to read what they want to and believe what they wish to. Then start saying its fact. When you ask them to substantiate, they can't. After all, the "spirit" told them.

We have some guys who go buy urogi, because they think it works. Then the other guys believe that being born again will kill the urogi.

Both of these fellows are lost.

As the biggest problem facing Kenya right now is lack of electricity.

:)

By the way I have the largest collection of Jz songs as I buy even his bootlegs. I also have Ozzy Ozborne and then I have that kapungala fellow. I also like Mary Otieno and Rose Muhando. I'm I a pagan? No I just love music.

If you believe the song you are singing is demonic then the problem is not the song but you.

I am in the school of thought that guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people.

All I can say is, it is a good idea to read and watch cartoons you fear. TV is not evil. Its the people. You might learn something in life.

After all, my cucu was once jailed simply because she was "thought" to be a pagan.

Yet, she is one of the most devout Christians I know. But to your mzungu pastor, she was evil simply because she was circumscide. Grow up please.

You know shit. You are just like me trying to find the way to doing good to your neighbour. Don't judge me. Don't judge my music. Don't judge my clothes. Coz you know shit.

Stop judging as right now, you are being judged.

As for those symbols, please stop drinking milk. As the "idol" god of some indians is the cow. If you are really serious about the nonsense you are spewing. Stop drinking milk as you are killing someone's "god". Stop talking to Jews coz they "killed" Jesus. Never wear black anything as its devil worshipping.

In fact, don't post on wazua as he's black and we all know black is the colour of the devil.

Kweli kuna watu na viatu.

First of all Snazzy you are skewing things alot! I am actually taking a Jewish Studies class and my professor, who is a Rabbi is the one who piqued my interest in these secret societies. Secret societies have been there since millenia so I dont even know why you are trying to disparage this. Jews formed secret societies out of necessity coz they were constantly being persecuted and their Torah was burnt several times in Medieval Europe, so they had to basically memorize it in order to continue with their heritage. Then you cant lump all Jews together, there are Ashkenazi Jews, Saphardic Jews,Jews who follow the Kaballah ( these are probably the ones you are referring to who consider the devil as someone who tests them), Rabbinical jews etc. I have found that a very effective way of people to argue against you is to belittle your argument and then act like you are blowing things out of proprtion. Freemasonry has also been present for a long time, we tried to grill our professor on that and he wasnt interested in answering just told us to read Freemasonry and the Jews.
Alma im just going to ignore your ignorance, I dont even get your train of thought.