lol. now we can't even watch cartoons...so what are we supposed to do? Oh I forgot, remove more tithe to the pastor to chase away the demons on TV. ha!

I remember a time when being black meant you were a child of satan....lol I can imagine some of you entering some of those churches even now. They still exist. They will lynch you.

So unless, and this is for the once who believe everything they hear. Unless you have gone to a session with the devil, you know nothing. All you know is what you hear. What you hear depends on who you associate with.

This unfortunately means that there some of us who believe Youtube is real, wikipedia is real and all the information they read online came with Moses from the Mountain.

It may not be true, it may be true. In the meantime I will go have a bit of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqo7b2C0qMg

Get myself a white cap and hope the EABL logo is not straight from the devil himself.

lets not confuse or let ourselves be confused . we arenot aganist or rather amnt against entertainment . i love entertainment . but inclusion of devolish symbols that all people know are demonic is just not debatable for me .
devil worshiper by the way donot do around shouting they worship the devil no way that will provoke the wrath f the people !
they do it secretly !
Remember what Jesus said . the devil willnot come in a wolfs clothing but a sheep's clothing .
" The deceiver will come dressed in sheep's clothing " Matt. 7:15

amnt a spiritual guy but i have my line on the sand as far as somethings are concerned

@qw, all i'm trying to do is to show you that this problem is not just in the music industry. If one is to remain vigilant, remember that even a simple cartoon could be designed to achieve the same effect. I've just come from watching a cartoon where children are being taught about magic and what to chant to make a spell work. It's much more widespread than you think

you arguments are totally embarrassing youself and you are making a fool of yourself here ! real talk . if you dont want to make constructive arguments then go watch cartoon network and let us continue with our arguments !

Now how do you tell someone that they are making a fool of themselves yet your talking bout religion? Self control.....ok? Lack of self control is also demonic!!!

you have totally missed the argument . sad you were the first of the stables to comment . LOL !
itsnot cartoons we are discussing here !
if you are asking me what demonic symbols are really . should i even be discussing with you ?

Well, the more religious is the society, the more sinful and wicked they are. Let's. E focused avoiding ignorance to realities
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Tokyo, the disconnect between increase in religion and increase in wickedness is incomprehensible. Except if the religion is one and the same with the wickedness. So increase in one mutually raises the other. Something I have been yapping about for some time now for whoever cares to listen.

But to deviate from the thread a little and to answer Vky, God can be proved alright.

It just takes a curious and analytical mind. (Thats why I find myself more at loggerheads with the typical christian who advocates for emotions, you know, ´powerful preaching´, experiential religion and all that than with atheists or evolutionists etc).

In Job 12:7 God challenges us to ask the beasts, fowls of the air, the earth and fishes of the sea. Ati they will tell us they were created by Him.

So lets ask one of them, the fish, e.g. Mr. shark who resides in the sea. ´Mr. Shark, you are a vertebrate, so how do you get rid of salt and achieve osmoregulation?´

Well, marine animals have kidneys whose glomerulus and loop of henle is so adapted not to loose water and achieve a hyperosmotic urine.

But why would a marine animal have those 2 things to begin with?

That does not match evolution (or no creation). They should have no glomerulus at all (however cleverly adapted) if they evolved from a single cell in that saline environment! Why would they evolve with something they obviously dont need?

Unless of course they were not originally in that environment. But evolution (or no creation) states everything evolved from the sea! So that puts us at a quandary here, unless evolution (or no creation) is not true.

That would mean creation is true. The glomerulus in the vertebrate marine fish proves it. If creation is true, only one entity has claimed to be ´creator´.

Back to entertainment.

I wouldn't want to be the kind of person who sees the devil everywhere but I wouldn't want to be the kind of person who assumes that since they haven't seen the devil, he doesn't exist.

The spiritual is really strange to the human eye but I believe it does exist. God is there but so is the devil and his subtle ways.

Why cann't we start by downloading and reading the SATANIC BIBLE? After all if you want to know about Rome, ask the Roman, right? and if you want to know abot satanism, why not read what the HIGH PRIEST of satanism has written?