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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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TAZ wrote:@ Mc Reggae.... Pep didn't inherit those players, he's actually the one who developed them and called for the youth to be given a chance to play for the first team. Thats what made the Barca mgt sack Rijkaard and promote their reserve coach.....Messi emerged when Pep took charge of Barca B while Xavi was even Pep's understudy.
On SAF my question was, do you think he can find success outside England....can he secure back to back titles in Germany or Italy! Lets be fair to Pep, at his age he deserves alot for what he's achieved. What a big white lie bwana TAZ. Pep was only made the barcelona B team coach in 2007 and that's when he started his coaching career, by this time, the midfield of Messi, Iniesta and Xavi were already in the starting XI!!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 161 Location: nairobi
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bkismat wrote:TAZ wrote:McReggae wrote:Pep should better stay at Barca, he has rode the Frank Rijkaard bus for long enough, I don't think he will succeed away from Nou camp!!! I think you are wrong, Rijkaards team was mainly centred on players such as Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto'o, Larson, Giuly, Belleti, Marquez etc. It is Pep who was incharge of Barca's Reserve team which developed and promoted young players such as Iniesta, Messi, Pedro, Busquets, Pique, Puyol, Xavi etc. He has a unique bond with the players thats why they usually say they can't imagine Barca without Pep. Actually its only Valdez and Puyol who were in the Barca team that won the 2006 CL final against Arsenal. If you look at the systems of play used by both managers you'd realise that they are totally different....Pep focuses more on possession football and flair. We all say Mourinho is a football genius but the thing is he doesn't "adopt" teams, he's usually given alot of money to sign any player he wants and build his own squad. I find it interesting that you question Pep's capabilities outside Barca but do you think SAF (as a Man Utd fan) can achieve anything outside Man Utd? Please read about SAF even just on Wikipedia. He was brought to Man U coz of what he had achiedved elsewhere(St Mirren:won with a team of 19 year olds Scottish 1st division,Aberdeen: a couple of Scottish 1st division wins, Scottish cups and Scottish league cups and European Cup winners cup,European Super Cup, the most successful manager of Aberdeen). The guy has achieved elsewher not just at Man U. @ bkismat. sasa hizo ni teams gani hizo? The Scottish league is a non-starter. How many times in the last 5 years has a Scottish team made it to the CL? Give credit where its due. SAF took along time to turn around Manu. Pep's impact on barca was immediate!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Redondo.....eti Pep's impact on Barca was immediate, kwani barca walikuwa down before he came???? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 161 Location: nairobi
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McReggae wrote:Redondo.....eti Pep's impact on Barca was immediate, kwani barca walikuwa down before he came???? Rijkard brought barca back to winning ways after many years of Real dominance. However, Its Pep who firmly put them on the drivers seat. The barca of Rijkard was a good team but not a world class one. Pep entrenched tiki-taka and with it came more glory for barca
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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redondo wrote:McReggae wrote:Redondo.....eti Pep's impact on Barca was immediate, kwani barca walikuwa down before he came???? Rijkard brought barca back to winning ways after many years of Real dominance. However, Its Pep who firmly put them on the drivers seat. The barca of Rijkard was a good team but not a world class one. Pep entrenched tiki-taka and with it came more glory for barca Ahsante, nuff said!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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@ redondo read before critisizing.Fergie achied alot with Arbadeen winning the Cup winners cup and the super cup against top opposition in Europe. Not forgetting that Man U had not won the league for 20 years prior to his appoitment. An how many teams in England were literally begging him to take their manegarial positions. These guys had seen his potential. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/14/2007 Posts: 4,152
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@Mc Reggae.....i'm talking about progress of the players on the pitch. Messi and co have really matured under Pep's leadership. He won the sextuple in his first season as first team coach and became the youngest ever manager to win the CL. After signing in 2008 he said Ronaldinho, Deco, Eto'o, Zambrotta and Co were not part of his plans.....we all thought he was insane but since then he's won 13 titles and has been manager of the year several times in UEFA, La liga, FIFA.
Rijkaard only had one good season in 2005/2006 since he joined in 2003 na you dare compare him to the young Spaniard.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 161 Location: nairobi
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bkismat wrote:@ redondo read before critisizing.Fergie achied alot with Arbadeen winning the Cup winners cup and the super cup against top opposition in Europe. Not forgetting that Man U had not won the league for 20 years prior to his appoitment. An how many teams in England were literally begging him to take their manegarial positions. These guys had seen his potential. @ bkismat. I admit you have a point. but from another perspective, EPL teams(except Chelsea) are very patient with non performing coaches. In la liga the bar is very high and coaches get fired left right centre. SAF was accordedv alot of time to turn the team around.wenger on the other hand (over the last 5 or so seasons)has enjoyed some sort of security of tenure that no coach in La liga would have access to. Pep deserves every peace of silverware he has won with Barca. As for his future and that of barca, only time will tell.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/23/2009 Posts: 2,375
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McReggae wrote:TAZ wrote:@ Mc Reggae.... Pep didn't inherit those players, he's actually the one who developed them and called for the youth to be given a chance to play for the first team. Thats what made the Barca mgt sack Rijkaard and promote their reserve coach.....Messi emerged when Pep took charge of Barca B while Xavi was even Pep's understudy.
On SAF my question was, do you think he can find success outside England....can he secure back to back titles in Germany or Italy! Lets be fair to Pep, at his age he deserves alot for what he's achieved. What a big white lie bwana TAZ. Pep was only made the barcelona B team coach in 2007 and that's when he started his coaching career, by this time, the midfield of Messi, Iniesta and Xavi were already in the starting XI!!!!!! Appearences for the 3 players during Rijkaards time are as follows- Messi(110),Iniesta(222)and Xavi(224). Unfortuanately at that time there were others who were better than them. Rijkaard gave them enough playing time and he is the one who promoted Messi from the Youth Team. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt...
-Mark Twain
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Mastermind wrote:He has denied me Cl twice. Let him flop Its amazing how some of us are mega shareholders thousands of Km's away 
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